Einstein's general theory of relativity and quantum mechanics each failed to avoid absurd math infinities in their calculations at either the very small or very large level of the universe respectively, it has been written. String theory and M-Theory have worked to move the infinities into other dimensions, creating more realms to put math paradigms to explain the problematical. Is that valid?
Scientific theories function beyond a realm of pure logic and are united with testable hypotheses and verification in the 'real' world. Unfortunately that means that reason will always perhaps be partnered with the unreasonable and inanimate matter/energy/monads of the given 'material' universe of which human beings are a part in that 'unified' field continuum.
Some scientists are moving away from field theories. Einstein is reported to have said on the last day of his life that he would not be surprised if the entire field theory approach to cosmology was incorrect (or perhaps superficial in the way that Newton's Theory was 'superficial' in relation to the general theory.Plans do exist to test elements of string and extra 4 dimensional theories, specifically with a search for gravity working in an extra dimension at near or less than the Planck length, in which it would diminish at the cube root instead of the square root at short distance, and would be more powerful...that or perhaps a universe with fewer dimensions (just 2 of space and one of time) could account for inconsistencies with the arrangement of mass and energy in space.
It is believed that with Higgs Field inflation the early universe expanded at superluminal speed (faster than light) for 10-35 second expanding orders of magnitude. That law violation is needed to make the math add up too.One will always have difficulty in making a valid cosmology theory get beyond Cantor's set postulate that a universal set cannot include itself in the set and be valid. One must rely on the Spirit instead, and trust God no matter what way time was set to run, or to become put together as an aggregate reflected in the present appearance of the cosmos.
11/30/05
11/15/05
Higgs Field/Inflaton/Politics
"A hidden connection is stronger than an obvious one."--Heraclitus
Relativity is used to extrapolate back toward the beginning of a theoretical time near zero, yet relativity’s math is said to break down into meaningless infinities at that point. Quantum mechanic's math also is said to break down into infinities. Thus superstring theory and M-Theory have sought to unify quantum mechanics and relativity and in order to do so have added several extra dimensions to let the math work out without infinities.
The big bang is replaced with an inflaton that creates space and time together, and it must expand at radically superluminal speeds in the beginning. One theory posits a very small, stable Higgs field (named for Peter Higgs) that becomes unstable because of quantum uncertainty and it's initial pre-inflaton state is seen today in the location of matter such as galaxies in the universe. Other theories have branes of even zero dimension colliding to create a field expansion.
Basic forces of nature logically should reduce to one field in theory, yet the form and allocation of forms of that field in however many dimensions, and what dimensions are for-themselves are good questions. Basic philosophical questions are raised about monism and pluralism of course, although physicists and astronomers must test and theorize data to discover answers to theories.
Time is simply the motion of mass in the dimensions for-itself, and it's nature of duration apart from moving mass is sort of like asking what space is for-itself without mass. Logically one wonders if mass or string vibrations in whatever form or protocol don't just comprise dimensions and time as well, and one gets to the question of why mass and energy in whatever observational, perceptible and real for-itself form have any existence in forms apart from the initial undifferentiated oneness.
Some people are unthinking enough to be unable to consider the possibility of an intelligent designer of all this existential phenomena, yet the idea that a designer must have some necessary existence within the created phenomena is absurd in-itself. There may be different questions though on that issue; one-is a designer necessary for the existence of space-time/mass/motion for itself and two-is a designer necessary for the relations of the mass motion for itself.
One may consider the state of the U.S. economic and energy policies to underscore the point that an intelligent designer is not necessary for complex existent structures that sort of compile and creak and groan with travail and suffering perhaps, yet would be improved with more intellect and altruism although one could argue about what 'improvement' means in that context. For that I should say that those desiring improvement know what that is.
http://superstringtheory.com/cosmo/index.html
A paper on pre-heating a Universe "Nonequilibrium dynamics: Preheating in the SU(2) Higgs model" http://www.osti.gov/energycitations/product.biblio.jsp?osti_id=530265
Some of these physics paradigms done with good math are based on extrapolations from observations about thermodynmics...it could be all quite soteriologically inadequate ultimately skeptics should be forewarned.
The meek shall inherit the Earth seems an already proven principle when one considers that one of the ‘survivors’ was a probable worm that became the chordate forerunner of all invertebrates (Pikaia) and that a rat-like mammal that is the probable common ancestor of mammals named Purgatorius survived through the mass extinction of 65 billion years ago that killed off T-Rex and most of the dinosaurs. (Ref. pages 43 and 153 of ‘Evolutionary Catastrophes’).
Relativity is used to extrapolate back toward the beginning of a theoretical time near zero, yet relativity’s math is said to break down into meaningless infinities at that point. Quantum mechanic's math also is said to break down into infinities. Thus superstring theory and M-Theory have sought to unify quantum mechanics and relativity and in order to do so have added several extra dimensions to let the math work out without infinities.
The big bang is replaced with an inflaton that creates space and time together, and it must expand at radically superluminal speeds in the beginning. One theory posits a very small, stable Higgs field (named for Peter Higgs) that becomes unstable because of quantum uncertainty and it's initial pre-inflaton state is seen today in the location of matter such as galaxies in the universe. Other theories have branes of even zero dimension colliding to create a field expansion.
Basic forces of nature logically should reduce to one field in theory, yet the form and allocation of forms of that field in however many dimensions, and what dimensions are for-themselves are good questions. Basic philosophical questions are raised about monism and pluralism of course, although physicists and astronomers must test and theorize data to discover answers to theories.
Time is simply the motion of mass in the dimensions for-itself, and it's nature of duration apart from moving mass is sort of like asking what space is for-itself without mass. Logically one wonders if mass or string vibrations in whatever form or protocol don't just comprise dimensions and time as well, and one gets to the question of why mass and energy in whatever observational, perceptible and real for-itself form have any existence in forms apart from the initial undifferentiated oneness.
Some people are unthinking enough to be unable to consider the possibility of an intelligent designer of all this existential phenomena, yet the idea that a designer must have some necessary existence within the created phenomena is absurd in-itself. There may be different questions though on that issue; one-is a designer necessary for the existence of space-time/mass/motion for itself and two-is a designer necessary for the relations of the mass motion for itself.
One may consider the state of the U.S. economic and energy policies to underscore the point that an intelligent designer is not necessary for complex existent structures that sort of compile and creak and groan with travail and suffering perhaps, yet would be improved with more intellect and altruism although one could argue about what 'improvement' means in that context. For that I should say that those desiring improvement know what that is.
http://superstringtheory.com/cosmo/index.html
A paper on pre-heating a Universe "Nonequilibrium dynamics: Preheating in the SU(2) Higgs model" http://www.osti.gov/energycitations/product.biblio.jsp?osti_id=530265
Some of these physics paradigms done with good math are based on extrapolations from observations about thermodynmics...it could be all quite soteriologically inadequate ultimately skeptics should be forewarned.
The meek shall inherit the Earth seems an already proven principle when one considers that one of the ‘survivors’ was a probable worm that became the chordate forerunner of all invertebrates (Pikaia) and that a rat-like mammal that is the probable common ancestor of mammals named Purgatorius survived through the mass extinction of 65 billion years ago that killed off T-Rex and most of the dinosaurs. (Ref. pages 43 and 153 of ‘Evolutionary Catastrophes’).
11/12/05
U.S.A. Today Rag Supports Dumb Random Cosmology
The Dover Pennsylvania election recall of eight school board members that supported a philosophical approach to cosmology that would permit an intelligent design theory as well as a Dumb Random Theory extrapolated from biological evolution theory at least served to defilade the weekend editorial opinion of U.S.A. Today…a major American newspaper, as biased in support of godless atheism.
The reason’s for that Gannet newspaper’s pro-choice sycophancy of exclusive atheist evolutionist cosmology voiced the belief that for a century anti-evolutionism has sought to ‘water down evolution’ theory as if it were a fine Scotch whiskey that ‘creationists’ were seeking to slip a finger or two of H2o in each glass at the bar of public education, yet that isn’t so.
The Templeton Prize winner Paul Davies wrote a fine book on modern cosmological physics named ‘The Mind of God: The Scientific Basis of a Rational World’ http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0671797182/104-2712931-9907145?v=glance&n=283155&v=glance in 1989 that complete unbelievers such as the editors of U.S.A. should stop to read in order to get beyond the Scopes era mindset. It is disturbing when the media ‘intelligentsia’ that communicates ideas to the masses inherits plain philosophical ignorance and refuses to update its thinking from the era of Clarence Darrow and B. Jennings.
At the very least U.S.A. Today editors could purchase a copy of my modest 2005 book 'Creation and Cosmos; The Literal Values of Genesis' http://www.lulu.com/content/102872 in review of the interdisciplinary theological/philosophical/physics cosmology criterion that has emerged since the middle of the 20th century and the progress of quantum mechanics, relativity theory, astrophysics that revealed a very strange Universe or Universes.
Intelligent design theory includes the entire paradigm of the Intelligent Design and creation of the Universe in distinction to a dumb or senseless random assembly. The paradigms in which that creation could occur rest not only in what people can observe or theorize about the ‘physical’ universe, but in the order of time, directions and number of dimensions, and purpose of the Universe for itself as it appears to human sense and reasoning capabilities.
Some naïve Corporatists and Communists have sought to limit philosophical understanding in public education to atheist materialism in Darwinian evolution or dialectical materialism. Corporatists of course want to program with the mass media and condition the public to buy their products while communists seek much the same. Pharmaceuticals, entertainment, government and a vast range of social ethical concerns may be more profitable to some mass organizational manipulators with God deleted from their educational possibility. Corporatism and Communism each attack individualism in the desire to enrich organization clumps of thugs when the wine of free enterprise rise of thugs to organizational saturation point.
I have opined that God evolved the universe and that the book of Genesis contains a sketch of some salient features of cosmological assembly written and translated from ancient language and social paradigms, yet the Corporatists and Communists of the present mass market era would not want any of that sort of non-profit philosophy even if it’s the truth.
Gary C Gibson. - 10:53am Nov 12, 2005 EDT God ordered Noah to save all endangered species--and more than half of the ship was reserved for animal habitat
"Intelligent design theory includes the entire paradigm of the Intelligent Design and creation of the Universe in distinction to a dumb or senseless random assembly."
This wasn't intended as a simplistic tautologous proof or begging the premise, it was intended to point out that their is more than the Scopes era ideas in intelligent design theory...including quantum mechanical/relativity unified theory efforts to M-Theory and more that can support various paradigmatic deliberation, and that the opposing field of anti-intelligent design or dumb random design as I've called it is the broad other field basically.
Intelligent design theory is more than one particular theory...it includes a vast number of theories that have in common the salient point that an intelligent design is an integral aspect of the fact of the Universe. The fact that philosophers and reasonable people can consider intelligent design and cosmology for-itself from a variety of points does not invalidate even remotely nor positively assert a finite, definable conclusion to the ongoing research into the causality and nature of the universe.
Some linguistic correspondance theorists may desire to wrap up ion words and neutralize rational philsophical deliberation with misdirected verbal tautology, yet it is meaningful to attempt to consider what the universe is for itself as Paul Davies has done in "The Mind of God; A Scientific Basis for a Rational Universe'
The reason’s for that Gannet newspaper’s pro-choice sycophancy of exclusive atheist evolutionist cosmology voiced the belief that for a century anti-evolutionism has sought to ‘water down evolution’ theory as if it were a fine Scotch whiskey that ‘creationists’ were seeking to slip a finger or two of H2o in each glass at the bar of public education, yet that isn’t so.
The Templeton Prize winner Paul Davies wrote a fine book on modern cosmological physics named ‘The Mind of God: The Scientific Basis of a Rational World’ http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0671797182/104-2712931-9907145?v=glance&n=283155&v=glance in 1989 that complete unbelievers such as the editors of U.S.A. should stop to read in order to get beyond the Scopes era mindset. It is disturbing when the media ‘intelligentsia’ that communicates ideas to the masses inherits plain philosophical ignorance and refuses to update its thinking from the era of Clarence Darrow and B. Jennings.
At the very least U.S.A. Today editors could purchase a copy of my modest 2005 book 'Creation and Cosmos; The Literal Values of Genesis' http://www.lulu.com/content/102872 in review of the interdisciplinary theological/philosophical/physics cosmology criterion that has emerged since the middle of the 20th century and the progress of quantum mechanics, relativity theory, astrophysics that revealed a very strange Universe or Universes.
Intelligent design theory includes the entire paradigm of the Intelligent Design and creation of the Universe in distinction to a dumb or senseless random assembly. The paradigms in which that creation could occur rest not only in what people can observe or theorize about the ‘physical’ universe, but in the order of time, directions and number of dimensions, and purpose of the Universe for itself as it appears to human sense and reasoning capabilities.
Some naïve Corporatists and Communists have sought to limit philosophical understanding in public education to atheist materialism in Darwinian evolution or dialectical materialism. Corporatists of course want to program with the mass media and condition the public to buy their products while communists seek much the same. Pharmaceuticals, entertainment, government and a vast range of social ethical concerns may be more profitable to some mass organizational manipulators with God deleted from their educational possibility. Corporatism and Communism each attack individualism in the desire to enrich organization clumps of thugs when the wine of free enterprise rise of thugs to organizational saturation point.
I have opined that God evolved the universe and that the book of Genesis contains a sketch of some salient features of cosmological assembly written and translated from ancient language and social paradigms, yet the Corporatists and Communists of the present mass market era would not want any of that sort of non-profit philosophy even if it’s the truth.
Gary C Gibson. - 10:53am Nov 12, 2005 EDT God ordered Noah to save all endangered species--and more than half of the ship was reserved for animal habitat
"Intelligent design theory includes the entire paradigm of the Intelligent Design and creation of the Universe in distinction to a dumb or senseless random assembly."
This wasn't intended as a simplistic tautologous proof or begging the premise, it was intended to point out that their is more than the Scopes era ideas in intelligent design theory...including quantum mechanical/relativity unified theory efforts to M-Theory and more that can support various paradigmatic deliberation, and that the opposing field of anti-intelligent design or dumb random design as I've called it is the broad other field basically.
Intelligent design theory is more than one particular theory...it includes a vast number of theories that have in common the salient point that an intelligent design is an integral aspect of the fact of the Universe. The fact that philosophers and reasonable people can consider intelligent design and cosmology for-itself from a variety of points does not invalidate even remotely nor positively assert a finite, definable conclusion to the ongoing research into the causality and nature of the universe.
Some linguistic correspondance theorists may desire to wrap up ion words and neutralize rational philsophical deliberation with misdirected verbal tautology, yet it is meaningful to attempt to consider what the universe is for itself as Paul Davies has done in "The Mind of God; A Scientific Basis for a Rational Universe'
11/7/05
The Flood, the Bird Flu, Freedom of Speech/religion
GaryCGibson - 10:58am Nov 7, 2005 When a materialist culture overcomes natural boundaries, it also destroys moral boundaries without an indwelling Spirit of God.
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/06/opinion/06judson.html a good sketch on flu viral sex encounters and development of new strains that could attack humans, although the author uses the 'evolution' theme as a prop for evolution theory, which is a redundant way of describing much of what is evident.
If a human with one strain of flu has a close encounter with a human with another strain of flu or is infected some other way, a new strain of flu could develop.
Flu viruses have just 8 genes...so when they have 'sex' and recombine the genes dangerous strains are possible.
The leap from bird flu to human bird flue could also occur through mutation.
President Bush's policies must mutate to become radically leading in environmentalism although he can remain an opponent of homosexual leverings on heterosexual structures rightly, or the President's popularity ratings may decrease more...yet more important is the suffering economic infrastructure and energy independence of the nation.
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?chanID=sa006&colID=1&articleID=000DCB5A-9CC7-134E-9CC783414B7F0000
http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/news/news-birdflu-talks.html
Gary C Gibson. - 05:19pm Nov 7, 2005 EDT God ordered Noah to save all endangered species--and more than half of the ship was reserved for animal habitat
Containment is one of the three primary methods of controlling the possible pandemic of bird flu ahead.
"Mixing it in with other immigration issues is a red herring at best and more likely just plain old deceit."
That statement is completely false and even dangerously misleading.
If anyone reads the Nov 2005 Scientific Article on the flu pandemic problems and gets to the part on containment, there is a computer generated map of the United States that highlight the 30 day course of prolifferation of the flu (a model).
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?chanID=sa006&colID=1&articleID=000DCB5A-9CC7-134E-9CC783414B7F0000
Thirty days is the entire time period available to slow down or contain the flu once a general outbreak begins and before the nation is saturated. The 1917 pandemic of bird flu killed a lot of healthy young people because their good resistance system gives the flu stimulated antibodies of some sort time to build up into a cascade that attacks the lungs making breathing without a ventilator impractical.
http://www.internationalsos.com/members_home/pandemicpreparedness/?CFID=2519086&CFTOKEN=17981704
In the computer model the initial small cluster of H5N1 are scattered equidistantly in small clusters more or less around the nation that increase with network over 30 days to saturation of the nation. It is possible to anticipate that a course of infection would not necessartily follow that isotropic scenario and instead might be lopsided or lumped toward the soft underbelly of the United States radiating outward if the virus is transported here by illegal aliens.
The scenario where the flu crosses over to human to human rapid transmission has numerous possible starting places and times. the point of preparedness is to be prepared for isolating and creating barriers to progress of the disease that killed 50 to 100 million people in 1917-1918.
The virus could crossover in America, Europe, Asia or wherever...it could be the first genetically enhanced mass flu recombinant spliced virus made to infect the world by unethical scientists even. They have already recreated the 1917-1918 virus for experimental purposes. Not being a biologist I don't know how skilled they are at it exactly, but the disease might be a fairly simply virus subject to criminals of science if such exist.
The virus could mutate or different human infecting strains could hybridize into more dangerous lethal versions when infected individuals travel to distant locations and infect others giving the virus' the chance to have 'sex' and recombine their genes like fruits and bars on a one-armed bandit seeking to put up a payout.
The vacine search effort, tracking effort, effort to respond quickly to flu outbreaks with tamaflu and other bio-reinforcement prophylaxis is accompanied by the containment strategies the President has put forward, but with an inadequate plan to halt southern border flu vectors. Bureaucrats believe everything from terrorists to the flu only go via airplanes and airports perhaps, or ships the coast guard can interdict.
Flu virus crossover might occur anywhere, and quick containment and counterattack prophylaxis will be needed.
Following is a url for two modest containment strategies of the bird flu virus for an outbreak in Asia
Center for Infectious Disease Research & Policy
http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/cidrap/content/influenza/panflu/news/aug0305panflu.html quote follows...
"Quarantine was found to increase the effectiveness of other strategies even if only 80% of movement into and out of the zones occurred (90% containment at RO =1.8 when added to geographic targeting of antiviral prophylaxis and similar containment at RO =1.9 when social distancing is also added)".
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051107/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_torture
President Bush is in the dark ages on torture policies, and should just say no to torture. Yet because torture is useful for trans-national corporate hegemony in the short run, and the President mainly supports that, the long run harm to the United States of dark ages torture policies or even ambiguous policy is inconsequential to him perhaps.
The President has stayed out of a California Episcopal Church's problems with the IRS that want to remove its tax exempt status for the free speech use the church pastor said in a sermon one day. It's more of the transnational corporate desire too establish a religion of materialism with some CEO as the head of the Church perhaps.
Church Pastor's speech must be free to include abominable government practices and politicians too without concern for what the twitish bureaucrats at the IRS think they should or should not say in the pulpit. The IRS should have a more anthropological exemption paradigm and determine if a church actually has a substantive percent of religious activities to deserve exempt tax status...possibly 30 % of the time. It is hard to imagine Old Testament prophets having much to say that did not include criticism of the nation/Government of Israel for instance.
The government seeks to establish a state religion by censoring pastors in church with the financial gun to the head of 'or else', and alternately in schools in permits use of the Babylonian Earth goddess' name copiously and American children are trained to address some of their elders with the name of the ancient goddess. I refer of course to Fragment four column four of the Atrahasis Epic, which is another version of the Gilgamesh Epic.
The creatress of mankind we call thee the lady of all gods be thy name they went to the house of destiny, igiku (that is) Ea, (and) wise Mama.
The ancient Babylonian goddess 'Mama' is used repeatedly and with religious devotion it is taught to youth. The name of the pagan goddess also goes as 'Mami', and further, to pile on the final assault of state indoctrination in religion, the goddess is also known to have the name 'Mah'!... This while prayer intelligent design is not allowed as a paradigm for public school teaching.
Moving on from that ironic point of history...
The Hebrew and the Summerian/Nipurrian flood story each likely had a common source far prior to 200 bc. That source document or documents have been lost. Perhaps Abraham took the story with him when he left Ur in 2068 BC approximately, and it remained until Genesis was written up from several missing documents (perhaps) about 1000 BC in Jerusalem (perhaps).
I'd like to see an ice age map of Mesopotamia; it historically gets only 6 inches of rain
GaryCGibson - 11:20am Nov 7, 2005 EDT When a materialist culture overcomes natural boundaries, it also destroys moral boundaries without an indwelling Spirit of God.
If Mesopotamia gets only 6 inches of rain throughout historical times the flood that was caused by heavy rains primarily, as is written in the ancient Sumerian version of the flood story, is out of character with any abstraction of local events to the world submerging scale of the flood. The world in this sense means the entire are of civilization where the people lived in five pre-flood cities in Mesopotamia.
Weather patterns do change with time, and at the end of the last ice age the Tigris and Euphrates may have had more snow and ice sources, while more rain could have fallen. Alternately did typhoons reach into the Persian Gulf...the sea level was 100 miles inland as late as 6000 bc. I believe.
It is also possible that volcanism cooled the world and created more rain for some time...even a year as happened during the Clinton administration mildly after Mt. Pinatubo erupted with others...I could see the ash in the sky in S.E. Alaska that summer and later.
Elsewhere I wrote about some global catastrophes that created mass extinctions that were theorized to have been caused by mass volcanism such as the Deccan flow or that of Eastern Washington.
Like some continental areas portions of Genesis were written based on several sources reaching back well before 2000 BC. The creation story or paradigmatic structure may be easier to associate with cosmology in contemporary terms than is the flood story.
The flood story seems to have been true many times in a sense, an entirely true in the Mesopotamian context. It remains to add up the ages of the post-diluvian patriarch's life spans were they exceed the natural lot, multiply them by Peter's value of 1000 years per day and see what that is for curiosity’s sake.
The Mountains of Ururatu became the mountains of Armenia, and Mount Nisir was suggested as one place where the ark came to rest.
Page 250 c 'The Story of the Flood' Alexander Heidel "The Gilgamesh Epic and Old Testament Parallels'...
''"The place on which Utnaphishtim's boat came to rest is given in the Gilgamesh epic as Mount Nisir, which signifies the 'Mount of Salvation,' if our reading is correct and if the name is of semitic origin. Such a mountain, or mountain range, is recorded in the annals of King Ashurnasirpal II of Assyria (838-859 BC), according to which it was situated to the south of the lower Zab and is probably identified with Pir Omar Gudrun, having an altitude of about 9000 feet. Berossus names the mountains of the Gordyaeans, or the Kurds, as the landing place of the boat of Xisuthros. These mountains, corresponding to Jebel Judi, where also Syriac and Arabic traditions localize the landing-place, are in the southwestern part of Armenia. The Genesis account is quite indefinite on the point under consideration, stating merely that the ark grounded "on (one of) the mountains of Ararat." The name Ararat is identical with the Assyrian Urartu, which, broadly speaking, embraced the territory of Armenia. In three of the four Old Testament passages where the word Ararat occurs, the Septuagint has simply transliterated it (Gen 8:4, II Kings 19:37, Jer 51:27 {28:27 in the Septuagint]), while in the remaining passage the translators have rendered it 'Armenia'. ''
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Academy/6040/flood08.htm
http://www.holytrinitymission.org/books/english/bible_as_history_w_keller.htm
http://historymedren.about.com/library/text/ntxtarmenia2.htm public domain
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/06/opinion/06judson.html a good sketch on flu viral sex encounters and development of new strains that could attack humans, although the author uses the 'evolution' theme as a prop for evolution theory, which is a redundant way of describing much of what is evident.
If a human with one strain of flu has a close encounter with a human with another strain of flu or is infected some other way, a new strain of flu could develop.
Flu viruses have just 8 genes...so when they have 'sex' and recombine the genes dangerous strains are possible.
The leap from bird flu to human bird flue could also occur through mutation.
President Bush's policies must mutate to become radically leading in environmentalism although he can remain an opponent of homosexual leverings on heterosexual structures rightly, or the President's popularity ratings may decrease more...yet more important is the suffering economic infrastructure and energy independence of the nation.
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?chanID=sa006&colID=1&articleID=000DCB5A-9CC7-134E-9CC783414B7F0000
http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/news/news-birdflu-talks.html
Gary C Gibson. - 05:19pm Nov 7, 2005 EDT God ordered Noah to save all endangered species--and more than half of the ship was reserved for animal habitat
Containment is one of the three primary methods of controlling the possible pandemic of bird flu ahead.
"Mixing it in with other immigration issues is a red herring at best and more likely just plain old deceit."
That statement is completely false and even dangerously misleading.
If anyone reads the Nov 2005 Scientific Article on the flu pandemic problems and gets to the part on containment, there is a computer generated map of the United States that highlight the 30 day course of prolifferation of the flu (a model).
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?chanID=sa006&colID=1&articleID=000DCB5A-9CC7-134E-9CC783414B7F0000
Thirty days is the entire time period available to slow down or contain the flu once a general outbreak begins and before the nation is saturated. The 1917 pandemic of bird flu killed a lot of healthy young people because their good resistance system gives the flu stimulated antibodies of some sort time to build up into a cascade that attacks the lungs making breathing without a ventilator impractical.
http://www.internationalsos.com/members_home/pandemicpreparedness/?CFID=2519086&CFTOKEN=17981704
In the computer model the initial small cluster of H5N1 are scattered equidistantly in small clusters more or less around the nation that increase with network over 30 days to saturation of the nation. It is possible to anticipate that a course of infection would not necessartily follow that isotropic scenario and instead might be lopsided or lumped toward the soft underbelly of the United States radiating outward if the virus is transported here by illegal aliens.
The scenario where the flu crosses over to human to human rapid transmission has numerous possible starting places and times. the point of preparedness is to be prepared for isolating and creating barriers to progress of the disease that killed 50 to 100 million people in 1917-1918.
The virus could crossover in America, Europe, Asia or wherever...it could be the first genetically enhanced mass flu recombinant spliced virus made to infect the world by unethical scientists even. They have already recreated the 1917-1918 virus for experimental purposes. Not being a biologist I don't know how skilled they are at it exactly, but the disease might be a fairly simply virus subject to criminals of science if such exist.
The virus could mutate or different human infecting strains could hybridize into more dangerous lethal versions when infected individuals travel to distant locations and infect others giving the virus' the chance to have 'sex' and recombine their genes like fruits and bars on a one-armed bandit seeking to put up a payout.
The vacine search effort, tracking effort, effort to respond quickly to flu outbreaks with tamaflu and other bio-reinforcement prophylaxis is accompanied by the containment strategies the President has put forward, but with an inadequate plan to halt southern border flu vectors. Bureaucrats believe everything from terrorists to the flu only go via airplanes and airports perhaps, or ships the coast guard can interdict.
Flu virus crossover might occur anywhere, and quick containment and counterattack prophylaxis will be needed.
Following is a url for two modest containment strategies of the bird flu virus for an outbreak in Asia
Center for Infectious Disease Research & Policy
http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/cidrap/content/influenza/panflu/news/aug0305panflu.html quote follows...
"Quarantine was found to increase the effectiveness of other strategies even if only 80% of movement into and out of the zones occurred (90% containment at RO =1.8 when added to geographic targeting of antiviral prophylaxis and similar containment at RO =1.9 when social distancing is also added)".
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051107/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_torture
President Bush is in the dark ages on torture policies, and should just say no to torture. Yet because torture is useful for trans-national corporate hegemony in the short run, and the President mainly supports that, the long run harm to the United States of dark ages torture policies or even ambiguous policy is inconsequential to him perhaps.
The President has stayed out of a California Episcopal Church's problems with the IRS that want to remove its tax exempt status for the free speech use the church pastor said in a sermon one day. It's more of the transnational corporate desire too establish a religion of materialism with some CEO as the head of the Church perhaps.
Church Pastor's speech must be free to include abominable government practices and politicians too without concern for what the twitish bureaucrats at the IRS think they should or should not say in the pulpit. The IRS should have a more anthropological exemption paradigm and determine if a church actually has a substantive percent of religious activities to deserve exempt tax status...possibly 30 % of the time. It is hard to imagine Old Testament prophets having much to say that did not include criticism of the nation/Government of Israel for instance.
The government seeks to establish a state religion by censoring pastors in church with the financial gun to the head of 'or else', and alternately in schools in permits use of the Babylonian Earth goddess' name copiously and American children are trained to address some of their elders with the name of the ancient goddess. I refer of course to Fragment four column four of the Atrahasis Epic, which is another version of the Gilgamesh Epic.
The creatress of mankind we call thee the lady of all gods be thy name they went to the house of destiny, igiku (that is) Ea, (and) wise Mama.
The ancient Babylonian goddess 'Mama' is used repeatedly and with religious devotion it is taught to youth. The name of the pagan goddess also goes as 'Mami', and further, to pile on the final assault of state indoctrination in religion, the goddess is also known to have the name 'Mah'!... This while prayer intelligent design is not allowed as a paradigm for public school teaching.
Moving on from that ironic point of history...
The Hebrew and the Summerian/Nipurrian flood story each likely had a common source far prior to 200 bc. That source document or documents have been lost. Perhaps Abraham took the story with him when he left Ur in 2068 BC approximately, and it remained until Genesis was written up from several missing documents (perhaps) about 1000 BC in Jerusalem (perhaps).
I'd like to see an ice age map of Mesopotamia; it historically gets only 6 inches of rain
GaryCGibson - 11:20am Nov 7, 2005 EDT When a materialist culture overcomes natural boundaries, it also destroys moral boundaries without an indwelling Spirit of God.
If Mesopotamia gets only 6 inches of rain throughout historical times the flood that was caused by heavy rains primarily, as is written in the ancient Sumerian version of the flood story, is out of character with any abstraction of local events to the world submerging scale of the flood. The world in this sense means the entire are of civilization where the people lived in five pre-flood cities in Mesopotamia.
Weather patterns do change with time, and at the end of the last ice age the Tigris and Euphrates may have had more snow and ice sources, while more rain could have fallen. Alternately did typhoons reach into the Persian Gulf...the sea level was 100 miles inland as late as 6000 bc. I believe.
It is also possible that volcanism cooled the world and created more rain for some time...even a year as happened during the Clinton administration mildly after Mt. Pinatubo erupted with others...I could see the ash in the sky in S.E. Alaska that summer and later.
Elsewhere I wrote about some global catastrophes that created mass extinctions that were theorized to have been caused by mass volcanism such as the Deccan flow or that of Eastern Washington.
Like some continental areas portions of Genesis were written based on several sources reaching back well before 2000 BC. The creation story or paradigmatic structure may be easier to associate with cosmology in contemporary terms than is the flood story.
The flood story seems to have been true many times in a sense, an entirely true in the Mesopotamian context. It remains to add up the ages of the post-diluvian patriarch's life spans were they exceed the natural lot, multiply them by Peter's value of 1000 years per day and see what that is for curiosity’s sake.
The Mountains of Ururatu became the mountains of Armenia, and Mount Nisir was suggested as one place where the ark came to rest.
Page 250 c 'The Story of the Flood' Alexander Heidel "The Gilgamesh Epic and Old Testament Parallels'...
''"The place on which Utnaphishtim's boat came to rest is given in the Gilgamesh epic as Mount Nisir, which signifies the 'Mount of Salvation,' if our reading is correct and if the name is of semitic origin. Such a mountain, or mountain range, is recorded in the annals of King Ashurnasirpal II of Assyria (838-859 BC), according to which it was situated to the south of the lower Zab and is probably identified with Pir Omar Gudrun, having an altitude of about 9000 feet. Berossus names the mountains of the Gordyaeans, or the Kurds, as the landing place of the boat of Xisuthros. These mountains, corresponding to Jebel Judi, where also Syriac and Arabic traditions localize the landing-place, are in the southwestern part of Armenia. The Genesis account is quite indefinite on the point under consideration, stating merely that the ark grounded "on (one of) the mountains of Ararat." The name Ararat is identical with the Assyrian Urartu, which, broadly speaking, embraced the territory of Armenia. In three of the four Old Testament passages where the word Ararat occurs, the Septuagint has simply transliterated it (Gen 8:4, II Kings 19:37, Jer 51:27 {28:27 in the Septuagint]), while in the remaining passage the translators have rendered it 'Armenia'. ''
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Academy/6040/flood08.htm
http://www.holytrinitymission.org/books/english/bible_as_history_w_keller.htm
http://historymedren.about.com/library/text/ntxtarmenia2.htm public domain
11/6/05
Utnaphishtim/illegal Aliens/Bird Flu & Mr. Bush's Lame Duckiness
Gary C Gibson. - 11:59am Nov 5, 2005 EDT God ordered Noah to save all endangered species--and more than half of the ship was reserved for animal habitat
“Be a man .. Defend your ideas resoultely!”
Spell your words resolutely!
One need not waste time rephrasing perfectly good sentences or words that express ideas when they are all right the first time. One must defend one's time investments too, and not waste a lot of time with the vicious nihilist sort of obfuscating thug than can drift into discussions.
The ideas I presented were plain enough for the rationally able, for you Pseud1...more verbiage might be necessary ad nauseum. Perhaps rephrasing in other languages would help you. I only write in American English.
In reading tablet one or two of the tale of Gilgamesh, one can find large section in the 1949 versions where Latin is used in the translation to replace English, perhaps because sensitivities were different then than now, and the subject was sending a courtesan/prostitute out to subvert a tough guy in the field that was to be a novelty for Gilgamesh's test of strength and adventures.
Control of biohazards is a serious technical difficulty with a vast body of data. One need not too wordy to recognize it's serious nature, and to have a clue about the historical efforts to contain it.
In using a particular hypothetical vector transmission scenario you have found an object to bite into as if it were the whole world of possible transmission methods, yet it one considers HIV transmission history it is simple enough to be aware that sexual encounters were the fundamental method of international communicability, and that the infrastructure that made that possible could also bring people with the bird flu. Yet that was one trivial possible method amidst the vast number of ways that a lethal flu might be transmitted abroad and even unto the borders of the United States. As a Brit you seem to feel that border defense against a lethal flu biohazard is futile. Perhaps you're sort of resistance to bio-defense is the sort of dog-headedness that Cornwallis could have used in resisting Revolutionary soldiers in the Anglo-American war.
One doesn't want to be boorish when so much fine data is available on the subject of bird flu on-line...its possible to imagine drunks at a bar looking at specks on their whiskey glasses, or arguing about football drunkenly...yet bio-war or bio-virus with a history of killing millions is a sober subject.
http://www.cdc.gov/flu/avian/gen-info/facts.htm
http://www.nature.com/nature/focus/avianflu/index.html
http://www.emoryhospital.com/press_room/ehc_news/2005/Aug/Containing_Global_Flu_Pandemic.html
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2005-08/aaft-pap072905.php strategies for containing bird flu in S.E. Asia
http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/cidrap/content/influenza/panflu/readings/
http://www.biologynews.net/archives.html?page=6
GaryCGibson - 01:14pm Nov 6, 2005 EDT
When a materialist culture overcomes natural boundaries, it also destroys moral boundaries without an indwelling Spirit of God.
I was disappointed with Pseud-B silly concluding ad hominem premised with completely false reasoning.
PseudB
He admitted he had not been following 'the argument' then categorically condemns it and assaults all 'rw's'.
His apparent indifference to reasoned argument is what the problem is with the Democratic Party on political issues nowadays, and one of the reasons why they may so occasionally unlikable.
The entire argument about communicability of the flu at pandemic levels is premised on easy human-to-human transmissions. To claim that any particular group of individuals would be de facto immune to transmitting the bird flu without inoculation is false.
Obviously if the U.S.A. ever wants to have any sort of quarantine ability, it would need to include stopping 100,000 illegal aliens that cross the Mexican desert into the U.S.A. each month (approx. or it would be ineffective).
I had made the point several times already, and so has the CDC and other agencies about the difference between direct contacts with infected birds and an upgraded or evolved conveyed by breath method of disease transmission.
PseudB’s desire to have something to attack with is so extreme that he resorts to the most plain dissimulations and obfuscations in order to fabricate and issue. It doesn't help address the issue meaningfully at all, and waits time with the counterproductive need for clarification of raised falsehoods and libels.
GaryCGibson - 01:23pm Nov 6, 2005 EDT
When a materialist culture overcomes natural boundaries, it also destroys moral boundaries without an indwelling Spirit of God.
Yet on the Gilgamesh/flood story I'd like to add a few points...
The Creation story is quite different than the flood story although each occurs in Genesis. Many that do not read the Bible or Bible History tend to run them all together within a certain uniform time frame. The more one reads in the area the more death and consistence becomes evinced.
I have discovered 'The Gilgamesh Epic and Old Testament Parallels' by Alexander Heidel c 1946 and 1949. Other books are L.W. King's 'legends of Babylon and Egypt in Relation to Hebrew tradition' c 1918 and A. Poebel's 'Historical Texts' c 1918.
The story of King Gilgamesh-probably an actual historical figure, has been unearthed on several clay text tablets and fragments of tablets dating back before the time of Hammurabi circa 18th century B.C.
http://education.yahoo.com/reference/encyclopedia/entry/Hammurabi
http://www.wsu.edu/~dee/MESO/CODE.HTM code of Hammurabbi
Gilgamesh's story is best known for the section on tablets 10 and 11 of the flood in which an ancient Utnapishtim is told through a dream or by a mysterious wall to build an ark to ready for an inundating flood that would destroy the people of the world.
Utnaphishtim did what he was told, including loading the 'seed' of every sort of animal onto the ark. Good description of the heavy rains and upwelling of waters are provided. The story is very like that of the redaction by Hebrews in Babylonian captivity more than a thousand years later.
The ark in the more ancient Giliamesh stories is said to travel perhaps 210 miles to rest on Mt. Nipir, and in some of the others to 'the head of the waters' (Tigris and Euphrates).
Gilgamesh journeys to meet the now-immortal Utnaphishtim after a perilous journey up beyond the waters and over the mountains (Lebanon and anti-Lebanon Mountains perhaps) past the scorpions people and the 12 double hours of absolute darkness to reach possibly Sidon where Utnaphishtim's boatman take him on a journey far over what is probably the Mediterranean Sea to the island of Utnaphishtim. Gilgamesh is seeking immortality from Utnaphishtim, but fails the prerequisite of staying awake for 6 days...instead Gilgamesh falls asleep for six days.
The Gilgamesh story has descriptions of the underworld, and of course is much influenced by Mesopotamian settings with river floods and mud. The dead are believed to return to become clay, and they live in the House of dust.
The Bible of course has Adam (brown dirt) created from mud and returning to clay (earth to earth) after mortality sets in.
A lot of things seem to have been happening in the Mesopotamian world 4000 years ago. Cuneiform writing were setting down interesting oral histories of flood stories, and in approx 2068 Avrm or Abraham was given marching orders to leave Mesopotamia and take his warrior retainers and womenfolk/children on a sojourn under the instructions of Truth. I don't want to venture to far into more recent history now, however...
GaryCGibson - 01:42pm Nov 6, 2005 EDT When a materialist culture overcomes natural boundaries, it also destroys moral boundaries without an indwelling Spirit of God.
Because Utnaphismtim (hasn't anything to do with a Phish performance at U.T.) was given immortality by Enlil after surviving the flood he'd set to destroy mankind because they made too much noise and were disturbing the neo-deos (deistic evolutionary object speculations) he technically serves as an extended time link to allow the setting back of the time of the occurrence of the flood indefinitely earlier in history. A Redaction or altered version of the flood story made as late as 200 B.C. sets the time of the flood during the reign of a king that lived 64,000 years ago.
The flood story as I said earlier isn't the Creation story. The ancients would describe the whole world as the area their civilization was in, and if it was destroyed, and the ziggurats leveled when the Persian storm surged, the Tigris Euphrates spring flood, and possibly hurricane force rains dumped a 100 or 200 inches of water when weather patterns permitted (possibly) during the Neolithic people would say that the entire Urth was flooded truthfully.
After the flood Noah's sons journeyed to populate the world, yet they found other people out there by inference. Even after the New Orleans H-Kat people traveled all over the nation. What could be more natural than that after a cataclysmic flood destroyed Mesopotamian civilization survivors would go out and stimulate civilization to grow elsewhere such as in the Nile Valley?
GaryCGibson - 02:07pm Nov 6, 2005 EDT When a materialist culture overcomes natural boundaries, it also destroys moral boundaries without an indwelling Spirit of God.
"---"I was writing about Utnaphishtim, is he still politically incorrect?
PseudB
Pseudb was writing about Vietnam, and fortunately he only said what followed once.
He still is trying to make an issue out of anything instead of being very rational about pandemics and their ability to travel. He should write a paper on pandemics with lots of urls for easy reference.
He did stipulate that he 'seems' to think that penchants of various sorts including 'political incorrectness' are being 'attacked'. Mexico was given, perhaps, as 'politically incorrect. Maybe that's because it borrows too much from the Mixtec?
Swine flue and other flu’s have been crossing from Asia forever via jet aircraft. In pandemics viruses probably can't be geographically isolated as they might have been in the day of Noah or Utnaphishtim.
Border control, one million new illegal aliens annually and communicable diseases involve real politics instead of 'politically incorrect' terminology. Politically incorrect subjects would be better exemplified by the abhorrence the left would have if some right wing Frenchman claims to be the 'new Charles Martel' and saying I told you so about a second Muslim invasion of the Iberian Peninsula right to the heart of France.
The trouble with the irrational branch of leftists is that they go on and on ad nuseum on the same subjects without getting anywhere as extreme left-wing reactionaries incapable of innovation, invention or creativity.
Personally as a classical liberal I sort the properties of rights and rights of property while realizing that capitalism isn't a substitute for government and that Smith's capitalism can produce the best products at the best prices but not the best ideas, cognition or consciousness including environmental awareness.
The two present NPR leftists are mired in defense of illegal immigration perhaps, believing that trans-nationals want it most in the U.S.A. to lower wages here, or that alternately by sending Mexico's best to the U.S.A. it will cut the heart out of Mexican democracy and economic liberty from domination by the twin dangers of oppression by transnationals and a very rich minority repressing them as 'peons' in addition to the 'politically unpopular' idea that illegal aliens can breath and be infected carriers of flue virus at the same time.
Sunday should be more for writing about Upnaphishtim/Noah and how the flood story fits nicely into the story about how God evolved the world with his swift fell sword of creationism. A brilliant designer, in the inklings of pre-history God let life progress to reach proto-civilization.
It is good that the creation parameters can adjust to water theories humanity can devise to explain the Universe and it's dimensions and history. The way the history of civilization merges into the Bible from the Neolithic and earlier disaster and dispersion of people is interesting.
GaryCGibson - 02:45pm Nov 6, 2005 EDT
Reply---
I am not an embedded independent; much less one sacked out with extreme right wing fems. Those northern blondes with Viking Helmets and plaques of wrath and ambition stayed beyond the range of my humble craft. Once I did row an 8 foot inflatable boat with leaking air chamber 150 miles to the state capital on 32 degree water, and wolves were the main shore mammal in the absence of the welcome yet sometimes dangerous bear.
Yet the promiscuous use of sexually paradigm political nomenclature is for the media, and a way of equating their publicness with private practices. A point classical liberals like is keeping privacy an integral element everyday civil rights.
The subject that prompted the radical left obsessive attack was that of the administration failure to mention what they would do to prevent bird flu from crossing the Mexican border if it arrived there before the U.S. I didn't mention the reverse, but if it developed first in the U.S.A. returning illegal aliens seeking to escape by crossing illegally to Mexico could infect that nation too perhaps causing millions of deaths. A loose promiscuous border allows politically transmitted diseases to proliferate if I may appropriate that metaphor for safe-politics.
The Economist...a made in Britain money rag (its fun to use that term for respected if not mainly heterosexual starring publications sometimes---the broadcast villains are of course live traducers immune from retaliation by mere non-corporate individual internet writers, had an article stating that the 'Imperial Presidency' is coming to an end, and that it's very early for the administration to waddles and quack like a lame duck.
Representative Delay was cited as one of the President's main centurions that criticized opponents to war as 'hand-wringers' if not worriers I'd guess.
The President's inner guard is under attack by a grand jury prosecutor reminiscent of J.F.K., and the President is making lame western hemisphere free trade zone noises in Brazil while the leader of brazil is under investigation for receiving election campaign moneys from Fidel Castro.
With the glory of the war over, and only the anti-terror mop up remaining with all that time-consuming pathos, the President's traditional low-brow, do-nothing, spend the farm approach to politics and borrow from foreigners to prop up an economy that could not go on it's own is less than optimally attractive or Teflon coated.
Fundamentally the President's best strategy to weather the storm of opparty critics for the final three years would be to use the Clinton strategy to accomplish the same survival purpose...accentuate the positive in the environmental issues and act unilaterally to improve protect national forests.
President Bush is of course at the center of the cedar forest as an evil ogre defending the rights of campaign contributors to harvest clear cut and annihilate old growth forests...it isn't likely he will be able to raise independently above the ashes of his last administration and play the environmental card to finish with a reasonably popular record.
The President will instead support trans-national plundering where he can, spend as much as possible, run up the deficit and retire as it nears 10 trillion amidst a broadcast rhetoric of support. A future President may be able to lead to national energy independence through home power energy for cars and lights (fuel cells, wind, solar etc.), lead a new zoning and tax reformation that would support start up high tech and green business in the U.S.A., and optimalize support for green autos without foreign or trans-national fuels and housing units that have no net loss of biota.
President Bush could be remembered by history as a genius in environmentalism if he did even 2/3rds of what I suggested above...politically accomplishing it is the difficulty not imagining. President Bush cannot get beyond the war scenario to move on and let American forces abroad and its allies scale the transition into democracy while he moves on to lead the Green revolution in the U.S.A.
11/4/05
Justice Alito and Public Education/Spending
The Senate's passage of 35 billion dollars in budget cut's indicates a good intention but their prioritization of spending creates minimal return. Allan Greenspan warned again of the problem of the budget deficits. If Senator Frist has read Robert's rules of order at some point, and learned those of the Senate enough to get on to economic matters, he may notice that inflation has simply been laundered and is the interest on the national debt.
The national debt will have crossed nine trillion and be on the road to ten trillion before W. retires to that barbeque pit east of the Pecos. It means a lot of divestment in future public infrastructure at the least.
Yet government theory is confusing for socialists, debauchers and Republicans. Left is liberal and right is nazi, the only two directions on compasses are east and west, and every other heading is a variation as anyone can easily recognize. There is only east and west, even if they are placed at the poles of the planet.
Where would Justice Alito fit on the bipolar political compass of error as regards education?
Public law requires education until the 8th grade oar age 16, so it’s a good opportunity to brainwash the youth into atheism and statism until they graduate. Most parents can't afford to send their charges to private schools with freedom of choice on the teaching of intelligent design, and thus the nation seems to have got into the public education business with a corrupting statist atheistic agenda force fed on the nation's youth.
Today a 'conservative' would simply expand the public spending to include vouchers for private schools as well as public schools. Would Alito consider that sort of statist socialism constitutionally 'conservative'? Would Justice Alito alternately support a termination of public educational facilities except at voluntary attendance grades, and would he then support a complete withdrawal of public spending on education or support only public spending on vouchers in order that students may choose a private school to attend?
Intelligent Design theory is not just some sort of reconstruction of a Scopes era world was created 20,000 years ago theory with proof that dinosaur fossils were planted by Cecile B Demille while making a film about a flood that overtook New Orleans. Instead, intelligent design theory encompasses a vast range of scientific, philosophic, theological and deistic thought considering cosmology theory, historical, archeological and Biblical research. There must be a place for rational consideration of intelligent design of the cosmos within any meaningful cosmology paradigm in order not to doom rationality a priori.
On Design theory on a human level...what about soft micro-computers that are in a bean bag like configuration, waterproof and easy to toss in a rucksack and take in the field. Of course it should have wi-fi and a pouch to extract a waterproof keyboard and maybe vdt from. The vdt and keyboard should be easy to replace at low cost oif they break or fall into a river and can't float.
11/3/05
Bird Flu and the Borders/Quarantine plans for WC Scenario?
Asian social and Economics Impact of Avian Flu Could be Large
N.O.A.A. photo
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051103/ap_on_bi_ge/bird_flu_economic_impact_4
GaryCGibson - 06:26pm Nov 2, 2005 EDT
"By faith we understand that the worlds have been framed by the word of God, so that what is seen hath not been made out of things which appear."-Hebrews 11:3
What will the President do if the chicken flu shows up in Europe or elsewhere in human beings; immediately quarantine flights from those countries and wait to see if travelers develop signs of the flu before letting them out of sick bay?
If the flu becomes transmitted to human beings, will the President actually make a serious effort to prevent illegal aliens from bringing the flue into the U.S. from Mexico-where it could be brought to Nuevo Laredo, Ensenada or wherever by traveling sexcationers from Europe visiting brothels?
If chicken flu can terminate the lives of a million Americans-is it worth cutting off the flow of illegal alien migrant workers to the Gulf Coast, or should New Orleans be renamed Nuevo Isabella to reflect the pre-Orleanist/De Iberville state of affairs?
On the other subject, what did the President know, and when did he know it? People are now asking the question about did the President have faulty intelligence when he went to battle with the Iraqis in 2003 that previously ridiculed the Presidents failure to select the right pronunciation of nation's names. The President that won't divulge all his academic transcripts for some reason is supposed to have the highest efficiency at though processing intelligence data...Saddam Hussein did order an assassination attempt on his Dad didn't he?
President Bush was not my choice for a second term nor was Senator Kerry a good choice after it was pointed out that he'd claim to be a war criminal or sort of one perhaps with jocularity.
The Democrats should talk about meaningful economic business and get off the digressions such as delaying approving a totally qualified SC nominee. Let good Justice O'Conner retire in peace for the Holiday Season to her beloved Arizona homestead for the roasting of pinion nuts and other traditional practices of that region. It was pinion nuts until all those trees started dying off because of global warming perhaps--it's too hot in New Mexico at least.
The democrats should recognize that there are perhaps 30,000 Sunni insurgents in Iraq active right now at bombing American soldiers with improvised devices and that wining about the American presence publicly does probably encourage the insurgency to get headlines.
The post-war insurgency in the remodeled and improved nation of Iraq is another affair than the war issue and it requires new skills and analysis to address politically. In simply being stupid and backward looking the intelligence failure is probably that of the Democratic Party right now.
The left right baloney in America is to some extent anachronistic while each party is stuffing Communist China with wealth and production opportunities to the detriment of the U.S.A. Black participation in U.S. labor unions is down to just 4 percent---they don't wear the union label!
The Wal-Marts cut these huge deals with intermediaries to produce cheap stuff in China putting Americans out of work and then convince Americans they are better off being just consumers. The trans-national neo-corporatist set want to move the Chi communes into a large corporate modality, and the Democrats want to meet the communes halfway with socialism, and the American individual is deleted and considered a leftist by the neo-corporatist organizational flunkies and an extreme right winger by the debauchery and socialism crowd.
While the federal debt is...wait a minute, $ 8, 048,856,092,004.37 and since Sept. 2005 the national debt increased about 3.48 billion per day the congress obsesses with non-economic issues unhappily. Its because they may each be somewhat un-American in being unable to see the forest for the trees. Yet their un-American attitude is what Americans are today... not resourceful enough!
GaryCGibson - 06:52pm Nov 2, 2005 EDT
"By faith we understand that the worlds have been framed by the word of God, so that what is seen hath not been made out of things which appear."-Hebrews 11:3
A good conservative these days sig-heils neo-corporatism, and a good leftist seigs or sings the internationale of socialism and statism...each obfuscates classical American liberalism with the dull beady eyes of incomprehension.
American individualism and independent national energy infrastructure need to be reinforced with favorable intentions in honorable legislation meeting constitutional muster. The United States should be considered with practical, objective appraisals from the outside in instead of the inside out. The environment matters!
GaryCGibson - 07:27pm Nov 2, 2005 EDT
These rant dumps (especially UZIL's) aren't helpful.
Plastic Blop, "Roberts Nominated as Next Chief Justice" 2 Nov 2005 6:59 pm
Of course I am not a Bush apologist...as one may infer from the post of which the fiction is a derivative.
I should note that I have limited computer time to reply to the Discussions occupation polemicists right now...
UZIL , "Roberts Nominated as Next Chief Justice" 2 Nov 2005 7:03 pm
UZIL's reading and rationalizing comprehension also seems somewhat off, and perhaps motivated by hate of some sort...only he knows for sure as both of these posters are anonymous or somewhat non-credible.
The avian flue is well known to be in Europe and elsewhere outside China but not yet in the Americas, and the news-reading public are also generally aware that it hasn't crossed over into human yet.
If the bird flue does cross over into humans, and not perhaps as UZIL might suppose by an infected chicken retracing Lindbergh's route to prove that birds are not genetically inferior to jet aircraft, and if the U.S. government takes any measures at all to protect it's people from mega-death by immigration of an infected legal alien or expatriate or vacationer or business person arriving at a U.S. legal entry portal, the effort can well be defeated by illegal alien entry.
That premise isn't racism it's reason. Illegal alien entry can subvert legal entry screening of infected Euros Chinese or even Mexicans.
My question in the original post was to ask if the Bush administration has a priori thrown in the towel on the advanced line of battle against the potential human transmitted version of the bird virus, and in effect surrendered the borders to illegal alien crossing with the bird flu virus potentially to unleash death upon thousands or millions of American citizens?
Its only a question, and I guess some would think that the potential association of prevention of illegal entry into the United States with Mexican nationals could indicate a drift toward racism when the Mexican people should be exempt from the laws of the United States when crossing into America in a more utopian and unbiased political paradigm...but does that premise extend to the need to allow a half million Americans to be bitten by the bird of death (a metaphor)?
Where would the forward line of be against biological war in the administration's best case scenario, and should they also move that line well within U.S. borders in case the vector of infection is a worse agent, but carried by 'Typhoid Pedro'?
I have opposed illegal alien entry into the U.S.A. for years because of the corrupting influence it has upon the American labor wage levels and political integrity. The administration perhaps claims an inability to police the border meaningfully to prevent all illegal entry, and it is thus a weak link in an effort to save the lives of possibly a million or two infected, vulnerable Americans if the disease does become humanly communicable with ease.
The United States has a Canadian and a Mexican border, the coast guard does a fair job against illegal alien boat entry, and airports can be quarantined. Is quarantine an obsolete effort against lethal biological virus? UZIL H seems to believe so, and considers it racist to use complete border security in the event of a world outbreak of the chicken flu; maybe he owns part of a mortuary?
My regrets to Yoda for UZils loose use of his name below.
GaryCGibson - 07:47pm Nov 2, 2005 EDT
"By faith we understand that the worlds have been framed by the word of God, so that what is seen hath not been made out of things which appear."-Hebrews 11:3
"Given this, and using the Bush theory of attacking the uninvolved, the best way (to Gary) of keeping the Flu out of the US is sealing the Mexican border."
-False
Quarantine is one method of preventing a population from being infected...I asked if the Bush administration had given up on that at the borders in the world infection scenario with initial outbreaks abroad?
The reaction to actual outbreaks of Chicken Flu would need to be quick, and the leaky southern border would flank leading edge of biological war containment efforts on the other three fronts mentioned abroad.
Of course the administration doesn't need to immediately implement effective border control before the crisis arises if it ever does. There are many supporters of illegal alien entry into the United States with or without catastrophic infections.
The administration seems to be putting out a less than comprehensive plan if it does have no intention of sanitizing the borders and air ports of entry as well as oceanic ports of entry. The actual methods the administration would put in place would need to exist before the crisis or they would be ineffective. Homeland Security should at least have a contingency plan to use in case it got ten days warning of a global outbreak of a fatality-causing virus.
I might add that the last Homeland Security Director innovated the clever idea of responding to bio or rad attacks with duct tape. Perhaps the present innovator will add an effective countermeasure like that alcohol based gel hand sanitizer guaranteed to kill 99% of known germs.
UZIL--we are talking about potential here, and preparedness. It’s a sort of prophylaxis against disease like an inoculation. Try reading the above post. Incidentally Microsoft Live will be available for software and other development with online storage soon...and it's supposed to be free.
Gary C Gibson. - 09:20am Nov 3, 2005 EDT
God ordered Noah to save all endangered species--and more than half of the ship was reserved for animal habitat
It is amazing how the radical left simply disregards content and libels with deranged versions of content made by fictious inspiration I guess.
I wrote about lethal bird flu/chicken flu and such with easily recognizable terminology to those without rough ESL skills. There are no known cases of human-to-human flu contacts through easily communicable means such as breathing or sneezing. Most infections/deaths from are not human-to-human http://www.cdc.gov/flu/avian/
In the H5N1 outbreak in Hong Kong 1.5 million chickens were killed because they gave the virus to people. There have been other versions since 1997.
CDC quote...
"H5N1, Hong Kong, Special Administrative Region, 1997: Highly pathogenic avian influenza A (H5N1) infections occurred in both poultry and humans. This was the first time an avian influenza A virus transmission directly from birds to humans had been found. During this outbreak, 18 people were hospitalized and six of them died. To control the outbreak, authorities killed about 1.5 million chickens to remove the source of the virus. Scientists determined that the virus spread primarily from birds to humans, though rare person-to-person infection was noted."
These basic parameters are fairly well known. Quarantine measures are another traditional way to prevent communicable disease...one that seems a horrid possibility to UZIL for some reason.
On the subject of protecting all of America's borders against large numbers of infected individuals (some 200,000 cross from Mexico in some months perhaps with a high chance to pass on communicable disease should such develop one day in Mexico) the question was what the administration plans to do about it, if anything. UZIL of course uses ad hominem and straw man attacks on me for bringing the issue up. He also uses misleading viral snippets to try to create a sense of futility in the effort to contain disease pathogens from proliferating within the U.S.A. over international borders.
On the idea of the California Congressman to spend a couple billion to build a snipable fence that could not be completely effective without electrification from solar power collectors, I suggest that instead a cost study/engineering feasibility study and such be done along with environmental impact research to determine the possibility of building a small boat canal along the southern border from the Gulf of Mexico to Phoenix connecting to the Gulf of California or Sea of Cortez and conquistadores would say.
The 1800 mile canal approx. would have many lochs and lagoons, and would be supplied with saltwater pumped in tube siphons between the Gulf of Mexico and Pacific...perhaps extra pipelines could be used to generate electricity with the difference in Sea level between the two oceans on either side of North America. California could get the fence, or the canal could be extended somewhat beyond El Centro California although it could never co over the Mountains to San Diego and the Pacific. Maybe retiring Justice O'Conner could lead the Project to create an American small boat canal and recreational waterway with border security features for the new Port of Phoenix.
CDC quote "H5N2 in Texas – 2004
In February 2004, an outbreak of highly pathogenic avian influenza (HPAI) A (H5N2) was detected and reported in a flock of 7,000 chickens in south-central Texas. This was the first outbreak of HPAI in the United States in 20 years."
Did the Texas mad cow case involve a Mexican steer? Did this Texas chicken virus involve birds from Chihuahua?
If an outbreak of a human wildfire pathogen develops in Mexico it could be brought here by illegal aliens.
11/1/05
Nominee Alito/Vietnam War-Iraq War Issues/Monolithic Domes and Taxes
Gary C Gibson. - 06:22pm Oct 31, 2005 EDT God ordered Noah to save all endangered species--and more than half of the ship was reserved for animal habitat
It would have better pr with Pricilla Owens as the nominee, yet the President's recalcitrance about appearing to have p& v made his selection logical.
It reminds me of the screenplay synoptic about an aging Montana motorcycle auto jumping champion that becomes set up by a corrupt federal politician from a southern state looking for a fall guy to advance his reelection...the aging jumper/former special forces dude hops and skips the U.S.A. to reach former contra colleagues in Nicaragua that help him return to break up the drug importation financed coup de main.
Actually there aren't many good movies out now, so I made that up.
Sen. Reed backed the loser for the first try to fill justice O’Connor’s seat, and he may lose again by seeking to filibuster the nomination. Since Tip O’Neal left his job as Speaker, the Democratic fortunes have continued a downhill slide...they just can't seem to pick winning issues, and won't save their ammo for battles they have a chance of winning.
The Democrats in Congress definitely should not filibuster and require the Republicans to invoke the nuclear option. Blocking lower court nominees is different than blocking Supreme Court appointments by an elected President and supported by a majority of congress. The Democrats should just sign off on Alito as the Republicans did on the very unconservative Ginsberg nomination, and respecting democracy cut their losses and look to 'next week'.
Democrats since the Clinton era haven't been able to evaluate with accuracy the chances of getting legislation through. They pick issues that are out of season or unfruitful, and hold onto them long past the time they would do any good. It’s rather remarkable how silly the Democratic leadership is sometimes.
Two political parties can be as useless as just one party in conserving the liberal rights of democracy it seems, and the nation may develop a resemblance to the former Soviet Union's statist fake democratic society in time in neo-corporatist or socialist garb.
If President Bush rally was serious about someone with no Judicial experience for the court, he should have just nominated Letterman or Leno, and got them to take crash legal courses to fill in until they could pass the bar in two or three years. Neo-Corporations have no need for real equal protection of laws, sound legal reasoning of a democratic society, or free expression by private citizens on internet blogs when they dissent with neo-corporatist brainwashing, so they might at least have enjoyed the humor of some college graduates, or alternatively, some public defenders that handle a dozen cases a day in D.C. might have understood the challenges the poor experience in a neo-corporatist, semi-statist society better than that highest social milieu of Dallas.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051031/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/vietnam_intelligence
Why the timing on this article? I read a fairly comprehensive report on the problems with the Gulf of Tonkin 'incident' a year or two ago. Does this article add much information that wasn't known already. That article alleged that a navy was required to go out and fabricate an icident that never really happened...if I remember correctly.
Certainly the Bush administration falmmed up the wmd issue in order to sell the public on the 2003 war with Iraq so there are parallels with the Gulf of Tonkin Incident...but not many.
Vietnam was a war that was unwinnable if the Southerners wouldn't defend it themselves ultimately with the Laotian border and security problems as they were, while the Iraq conflict to terminate a regime allowing a democide to occur was a just cause, even though it upset 1000 contractors paying billions of kickbacks to Saddam Hussein in the oil for food program and was thus contentious in the U.N.
Gary C Gibson. - 09:00am Nov 1, 2005 EDT
Orde Wingate's mission had not been going 'several years' berfore he perished. It had been only operative several months. He was of course working against the Japanese occupation force with success. Often his specially selected people walked about.
Blogger did discern one point...the Vietnam War was perhaps classifiable as a 'loss', and as history it cannot be reversed in that context except through revisionism, where Arnolf Swarnetnagger defeated the forces at Dien bien Phu led by droids.
The Iraq war of 2003 was as the President declared a bit show-boatishly, a victory. The post war events are in a different nation building process that is already fundamentally successful.
With Soviet military support for the North Vietnamese rebels, and the legal impossibility of invading and occupying the north, stopping the war in the south wasn't likely, especially with the Ho Chin Minh trail of incursion improving in spite of operation igloo.
To 'win' the Vietnam war would hadve required an almost impossible border defense durting the cold war era. The object of the war in the L.B.J. administration was instead to intimidate the communists with shock and awe into quiping...a policy that continued during the Nixon administration as he began the regular withdrawl of American and U.N. forces simultaneously complied.
The Vietnam War was a proxie cold war casualty in the world battle against communism. If the Soviets and Americans had not been protagonists, perhaps Ho Chi Minh would have led the war against colonialism in a different direction.
The Orde Wingate query was simply a test question to demonstrate the sillyness of making substantive or lengthy replies to polemicists that havern't a meaningful historical; contribution to make on a subject such as that...Admiral Nelson and Vietnam Mark associated (what horse pitching inaccuracy)!
In case anyone missed the new planet discoveries...
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/050729_new_planet.html
Gary C Gibson. - 11:47am Nov 1, 2005 EDT
Taxes are sometimes used to encourage or discourage public policy. In Alaska the majority voted to prevent homo marriages, while the Supreme Court of Alaska retaliated by giving full health benefits to state employees homo live-ins. In effect the Alaska Supremes recognized de facto common law homo marriages. Courts can in effect veto public policy expressed by the majority, while taxation can be used to put intention upon public policy.
In Florida hurricane damage that is preventable with a little executive leadership or legislative foresight year after year piles up redistribution of tax dollars so people can buy storm shutters or whatever...new roof, fence, fruit trees, trailer through FEMA and other agencies while homeless people can just sort of marvel at how the haves get more.
Yet the failure of the state government to have adequate ecozoning and building design measures broadly available along with home-power alternate energy sources such as wind, solar and fuel cell generators is a consequence of the neo-corporatist drift of establishment inflexibility that cumulatively stagnates alterity; change is bad for already producing business technology.
When ossification through neo-corporatism becomes too pervasive even extending to broadcast media attack on Internet start-ups and government complicity dumbs down the free market through lack of renewable invention and innovation in technology on the largest scale budget deficits and foreign borrowing to fund a dysfunctional economy ensue.
Sound taxation would tax home energy consumption, and fuel consumption from fossil fuel based sources in order to encourage domestically produced alternate, independent energy generation.
Sunday I had 16 spare points so I advertised my poem 'Three Bolts More' on allpoetry.com for one click. I'd written the poem after watching a lightening storm from a Baptist Church porch during heavy rain in Florida (I was riding a bike). I'd just finished the bulk of painting a non-Baptist Church, unlike the Baptist Church I couldn't finish in West Texas last October because they kept changing the color, the weather got cold, and it wasn't possible for me to charge more (I did not want too). The paint line reached halfway up the wall to the colored glass and the dove/spirit of God. When the Baptist minister was electrocuted in Waco in a Baptismal font yesterday I was surprised-yet it seemed a remarkable coincidence.
Electricity need not be such a strange thing with ongoing power outages from WILMA in Florida...some independent home power should be encouraged.
Square metal buildings in the south that become solar toaster-ovens without vast volumes of centrally produced electricity for air conditioning should be taxed more than monolithic concrete domes with an effective r-value of 80. Even monolithic domes with a cost of just 85 dollars per square foot should have alternate, independent power supply to power low wattage fans to bring in outside air if they are used for storm shelters. With a 100 people in a non-air conditioned hotbox the atmosphere become unbreathable very fast as the oxygen is depleted by all that lung air intake.
Automobiles that run on non-fossil fuels and that don't require any foreign fuel of any sort to operate should be exempt from taxes entirely.
It would have better pr with Pricilla Owens as the nominee, yet the President's recalcitrance about appearing to have p& v made his selection logical.
It reminds me of the screenplay synoptic about an aging Montana motorcycle auto jumping champion that becomes set up by a corrupt federal politician from a southern state looking for a fall guy to advance his reelection...the aging jumper/former special forces dude hops and skips the U.S.A. to reach former contra colleagues in Nicaragua that help him return to break up the drug importation financed coup de main.
Actually there aren't many good movies out now, so I made that up.
Sen. Reed backed the loser for the first try to fill justice O’Connor’s seat, and he may lose again by seeking to filibuster the nomination. Since Tip O’Neal left his job as Speaker, the Democratic fortunes have continued a downhill slide...they just can't seem to pick winning issues, and won't save their ammo for battles they have a chance of winning.
The Democrats in Congress definitely should not filibuster and require the Republicans to invoke the nuclear option. Blocking lower court nominees is different than blocking Supreme Court appointments by an elected President and supported by a majority of congress. The Democrats should just sign off on Alito as the Republicans did on the very unconservative Ginsberg nomination, and respecting democracy cut their losses and look to 'next week'.
Democrats since the Clinton era haven't been able to evaluate with accuracy the chances of getting legislation through. They pick issues that are out of season or unfruitful, and hold onto them long past the time they would do any good. It’s rather remarkable how silly the Democratic leadership is sometimes.
Two political parties can be as useless as just one party in conserving the liberal rights of democracy it seems, and the nation may develop a resemblance to the former Soviet Union's statist fake democratic society in time in neo-corporatist or socialist garb.
If President Bush rally was serious about someone with no Judicial experience for the court, he should have just nominated Letterman or Leno, and got them to take crash legal courses to fill in until they could pass the bar in two or three years. Neo-Corporations have no need for real equal protection of laws, sound legal reasoning of a democratic society, or free expression by private citizens on internet blogs when they dissent with neo-corporatist brainwashing, so they might at least have enjoyed the humor of some college graduates, or alternatively, some public defenders that handle a dozen cases a day in D.C. might have understood the challenges the poor experience in a neo-corporatist, semi-statist society better than that highest social milieu of Dallas.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051031/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/vietnam_intelligence
Why the timing on this article? I read a fairly comprehensive report on the problems with the Gulf of Tonkin 'incident' a year or two ago. Does this article add much information that wasn't known already. That article alleged that a navy was required to go out and fabricate an icident that never really happened...if I remember correctly.
Certainly the Bush administration falmmed up the wmd issue in order to sell the public on the 2003 war with Iraq so there are parallels with the Gulf of Tonkin Incident...but not many.
Vietnam was a war that was unwinnable if the Southerners wouldn't defend it themselves ultimately with the Laotian border and security problems as they were, while the Iraq conflict to terminate a regime allowing a democide to occur was a just cause, even though it upset 1000 contractors paying billions of kickbacks to Saddam Hussein in the oil for food program and was thus contentious in the U.N.
Gary C Gibson. - 09:00am Nov 1, 2005 EDT
Orde Wingate's mission had not been going 'several years' berfore he perished. It had been only operative several months. He was of course working against the Japanese occupation force with success. Often his specially selected people walked about.
Blogger did discern one point...the Vietnam War was perhaps classifiable as a 'loss', and as history it cannot be reversed in that context except through revisionism, where Arnolf Swarnetnagger defeated the forces at Dien bien Phu led by droids.
The Iraq war of 2003 was as the President declared a bit show-boatishly, a victory. The post war events are in a different nation building process that is already fundamentally successful.
With Soviet military support for the North Vietnamese rebels, and the legal impossibility of invading and occupying the north, stopping the war in the south wasn't likely, especially with the Ho Chin Minh trail of incursion improving in spite of operation igloo.
To 'win' the Vietnam war would hadve required an almost impossible border defense durting the cold war era. The object of the war in the L.B.J. administration was instead to intimidate the communists with shock and awe into quiping...a policy that continued during the Nixon administration as he began the regular withdrawl of American and U.N. forces simultaneously complied.
The Vietnam War was a proxie cold war casualty in the world battle against communism. If the Soviets and Americans had not been protagonists, perhaps Ho Chi Minh would have led the war against colonialism in a different direction.
The Orde Wingate query was simply a test question to demonstrate the sillyness of making substantive or lengthy replies to polemicists that havern't a meaningful historical; contribution to make on a subject such as that...Admiral Nelson and Vietnam Mark associated (what horse pitching inaccuracy)!
In case anyone missed the new planet discoveries...
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/050729_new_planet.html
Gary C Gibson. - 11:47am Nov 1, 2005 EDT
Taxes are sometimes used to encourage or discourage public policy. In Alaska the majority voted to prevent homo marriages, while the Supreme Court of Alaska retaliated by giving full health benefits to state employees homo live-ins. In effect the Alaska Supremes recognized de facto common law homo marriages. Courts can in effect veto public policy expressed by the majority, while taxation can be used to put intention upon public policy.
In Florida hurricane damage that is preventable with a little executive leadership or legislative foresight year after year piles up redistribution of tax dollars so people can buy storm shutters or whatever...new roof, fence, fruit trees, trailer through FEMA and other agencies while homeless people can just sort of marvel at how the haves get more.
Yet the failure of the state government to have adequate ecozoning and building design measures broadly available along with home-power alternate energy sources such as wind, solar and fuel cell generators is a consequence of the neo-corporatist drift of establishment inflexibility that cumulatively stagnates alterity; change is bad for already producing business technology.
When ossification through neo-corporatism becomes too pervasive even extending to broadcast media attack on Internet start-ups and government complicity dumbs down the free market through lack of renewable invention and innovation in technology on the largest scale budget deficits and foreign borrowing to fund a dysfunctional economy ensue.
Sound taxation would tax home energy consumption, and fuel consumption from fossil fuel based sources in order to encourage domestically produced alternate, independent energy generation.
Sunday I had 16 spare points so I advertised my poem 'Three Bolts More' on allpoetry.com for one click. I'd written the poem after watching a lightening storm from a Baptist Church porch during heavy rain in Florida (I was riding a bike). I'd just finished the bulk of painting a non-Baptist Church, unlike the Baptist Church I couldn't finish in West Texas last October because they kept changing the color, the weather got cold, and it wasn't possible for me to charge more (I did not want too). The paint line reached halfway up the wall to the colored glass and the dove/spirit of God. When the Baptist minister was electrocuted in Waco in a Baptismal font yesterday I was surprised-yet it seemed a remarkable coincidence.
Electricity need not be such a strange thing with ongoing power outages from WILMA in Florida...some independent home power should be encouraged.
Square metal buildings in the south that become solar toaster-ovens without vast volumes of centrally produced electricity for air conditioning should be taxed more than monolithic concrete domes with an effective r-value of 80. Even monolithic domes with a cost of just 85 dollars per square foot should have alternate, independent power supply to power low wattage fans to bring in outside air if they are used for storm shelters. With a 100 people in a non-air conditioned hotbox the atmosphere become unbreathable very fast as the oxygen is depleted by all that lung air intake.
Automobiles that run on non-fossil fuels and that don't require any foreign fuel of any sort to operate should be exempt from taxes entirely.
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