Asian social and Economics Impact of Avian Flu Could be Large
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051103/ap_on_bi_ge/bird_flu_economic_impact_4
GaryCGibson - 06:26pm Nov 2, 2005 EDT
"By faith we understand that the worlds have been framed by the word of God, so that what is seen hath not been made out of things which appear."-Hebrews 11:3
What will the President do if the chicken flu shows up in Europe or elsewhere in human beings; immediately quarantine flights from those countries and wait to see if travelers develop signs of the flu before letting them out of sick bay?
If the flu becomes transmitted to human beings, will the President actually make a serious effort to prevent illegal aliens from bringing the flue into the U.S. from Mexico-where it could be brought to Nuevo Laredo, Ensenada or wherever by traveling sexcationers from Europe visiting brothels?
If chicken flu can terminate the lives of a million Americans-is it worth cutting off the flow of illegal alien migrant workers to the Gulf Coast, or should New Orleans be renamed Nuevo Isabella to reflect the pre-Orleanist/De Iberville state of affairs?
On the other subject, what did the President know, and when did he know it? People are now asking the question about did the President have faulty intelligence when he went to battle with the Iraqis in 2003 that previously ridiculed the Presidents failure to select the right pronunciation of nation's names. The President that won't divulge all his academic transcripts for some reason is supposed to have the highest efficiency at though processing intelligence data...Saddam Hussein did order an assassination attempt on his Dad didn't he?
President Bush was not my choice for a second term nor was Senator Kerry a good choice after it was pointed out that he'd claim to be a war criminal or sort of one perhaps with jocularity.
The Democrats should talk about meaningful economic business and get off the digressions such as delaying approving a totally qualified SC nominee. Let good Justice O'Conner retire in peace for the Holiday Season to her beloved Arizona homestead for the roasting of pinion nuts and other traditional practices of that region. It was pinion nuts until all those trees started dying off because of global warming perhaps--it's too hot in New Mexico at least.
The democrats should recognize that there are perhaps 30,000 Sunni insurgents in Iraq active right now at bombing American soldiers with improvised devices and that wining about the American presence publicly does probably encourage the insurgency to get headlines.
The post-war insurgency in the remodeled and improved nation of Iraq is another affair than the war issue and it requires new skills and analysis to address politically. In simply being stupid and backward looking the intelligence failure is probably that of the Democratic Party right now.
The left right baloney in America is to some extent anachronistic while each party is stuffing Communist China with wealth and production opportunities to the detriment of the U.S.A. Black participation in U.S. labor unions is down to just 4 percent---they don't wear the union label!
The Wal-Marts cut these huge deals with intermediaries to produce cheap stuff in China putting Americans out of work and then convince Americans they are better off being just consumers. The trans-national neo-corporatist set want to move the Chi communes into a large corporate modality, and the Democrats want to meet the communes halfway with socialism, and the American individual is deleted and considered a leftist by the neo-corporatist organizational flunkies and an extreme right winger by the debauchery and socialism crowd.
While the federal debt is...wait a minute, $ 8, 048,856,092,004.37 and since Sept. 2005 the national debt increased about 3.48 billion per day the congress obsesses with non-economic issues unhappily. Its because they may each be somewhat un-American in being unable to see the forest for the trees. Yet their un-American attitude is what Americans are today... not resourceful enough!
GaryCGibson - 06:52pm Nov 2, 2005 EDT
"By faith we understand that the worlds have been framed by the word of God, so that what is seen hath not been made out of things which appear."-Hebrews 11:3
A good conservative these days sig-heils neo-corporatism, and a good leftist seigs or sings the internationale of socialism and statism...each obfuscates classical American liberalism with the dull beady eyes of incomprehension.
American individualism and independent national energy infrastructure need to be reinforced with favorable intentions in honorable legislation meeting constitutional muster. The United States should be considered with practical, objective appraisals from the outside in instead of the inside out. The environment matters!
GaryCGibson - 07:27pm Nov 2, 2005 EDT
These rant dumps (especially UZIL's) aren't helpful.
Plastic Blop, "Roberts Nominated as Next Chief Justice" 2 Nov 2005 6:59 pm
Of course I am not a Bush apologist...as one may infer from the post of which the fiction is a derivative.
I should note that I have limited computer time to reply to the Discussions occupation polemicists right now...
UZIL , "Roberts Nominated as Next Chief Justice" 2 Nov 2005 7:03 pm
UZIL's reading and rationalizing comprehension also seems somewhat off, and perhaps motivated by hate of some sort...only he knows for sure as both of these posters are anonymous or somewhat non-credible.
The avian flue is well known to be in Europe and elsewhere outside China but not yet in the Americas, and the news-reading public are also generally aware that it hasn't crossed over into human yet.
If the bird flue does cross over into humans, and not perhaps as UZIL might suppose by an infected chicken retracing Lindbergh's route to prove that birds are not genetically inferior to jet aircraft, and if the U.S. government takes any measures at all to protect it's people from mega-death by immigration of an infected legal alien or expatriate or vacationer or business person arriving at a U.S. legal entry portal, the effort can well be defeated by illegal alien entry.
That premise isn't racism it's reason. Illegal alien entry can subvert legal entry screening of infected Euros Chinese or even Mexicans.
My question in the original post was to ask if the Bush administration has a priori thrown in the towel on the advanced line of battle against the potential human transmitted version of the bird virus, and in effect surrendered the borders to illegal alien crossing with the bird flu virus potentially to unleash death upon thousands or millions of American citizens?
Its only a question, and I guess some would think that the potential association of prevention of illegal entry into the United States with Mexican nationals could indicate a drift toward racism when the Mexican people should be exempt from the laws of the United States when crossing into America in a more utopian and unbiased political paradigm...but does that premise extend to the need to allow a half million Americans to be bitten by the bird of death (a metaphor)?
Where would the forward line of be against biological war in the administration's best case scenario, and should they also move that line well within U.S. borders in case the vector of infection is a worse agent, but carried by 'Typhoid Pedro'?
I have opposed illegal alien entry into the U.S.A. for years because of the corrupting influence it has upon the American labor wage levels and political integrity. The administration perhaps claims an inability to police the border meaningfully to prevent all illegal entry, and it is thus a weak link in an effort to save the lives of possibly a million or two infected, vulnerable Americans if the disease does become humanly communicable with ease.
The United States has a Canadian and a Mexican border, the coast guard does a fair job against illegal alien boat entry, and airports can be quarantined. Is quarantine an obsolete effort against lethal biological virus? UZIL H seems to believe so, and considers it racist to use complete border security in the event of a world outbreak of the chicken flu; maybe he owns part of a mortuary?
My regrets to Yoda for UZils loose use of his name below.
GaryCGibson - 07:47pm Nov 2, 2005 EDT
"By faith we understand that the worlds have been framed by the word of God, so that what is seen hath not been made out of things which appear."-Hebrews 11:3
"Given this, and using the Bush theory of attacking the uninvolved, the best way (to Gary) of keeping the Flu out of the US is sealing the Mexican border."
-False
Quarantine is one method of preventing a population from being infected...I asked if the Bush administration had given up on that at the borders in the world infection scenario with initial outbreaks abroad?
The reaction to actual outbreaks of Chicken Flu would need to be quick, and the leaky southern border would flank leading edge of biological war containment efforts on the other three fronts mentioned abroad.
Of course the administration doesn't need to immediately implement effective border control before the crisis arises if it ever does. There are many supporters of illegal alien entry into the United States with or without catastrophic infections.
The administration seems to be putting out a less than comprehensive plan if it does have no intention of sanitizing the borders and air ports of entry as well as oceanic ports of entry. The actual methods the administration would put in place would need to exist before the crisis or they would be ineffective. Homeland Security should at least have a contingency plan to use in case it got ten days warning of a global outbreak of a fatality-causing virus.
I might add that the last Homeland Security Director innovated the clever idea of responding to bio or rad attacks with duct tape. Perhaps the present innovator will add an effective countermeasure like that alcohol based gel hand sanitizer guaranteed to kill 99% of known germs.
UZIL--we are talking about potential here, and preparedness. It’s a sort of prophylaxis against disease like an inoculation. Try reading the above post. Incidentally Microsoft Live will be available for software and other development with online storage soon...and it's supposed to be free.
Gary C Gibson. - 09:20am Nov 3, 2005 EDT
God ordered Noah to save all endangered species--and more than half of the ship was reserved for animal habitat
It is amazing how the radical left simply disregards content and libels with deranged versions of content made by fictious inspiration I guess.
I wrote about lethal bird flu/chicken flu and such with easily recognizable terminology to those without rough ESL skills. There are no known cases of human-to-human flu contacts through easily communicable means such as breathing or sneezing. Most infections/deaths from are not human-to-human http://www.cdc.gov/flu/avian/
In the H5N1 outbreak in Hong Kong 1.5 million chickens were killed because they gave the virus to people. There have been other versions since 1997.
CDC quote...
"H5N1, Hong Kong, Special Administrative Region, 1997: Highly pathogenic avian influenza A (H5N1) infections occurred in both poultry and humans. This was the first time an avian influenza A virus transmission directly from birds to humans had been found. During this outbreak, 18 people were hospitalized and six of them died. To control the outbreak, authorities killed about 1.5 million chickens to remove the source of the virus. Scientists determined that the virus spread primarily from birds to humans, though rare person-to-person infection was noted."
These basic parameters are fairly well known. Quarantine measures are another traditional way to prevent communicable disease...one that seems a horrid possibility to UZIL for some reason.
On the subject of protecting all of America's borders against large numbers of infected individuals (some 200,000 cross from Mexico in some months perhaps with a high chance to pass on communicable disease should such develop one day in Mexico) the question was what the administration plans to do about it, if anything. UZIL of course uses ad hominem and straw man attacks on me for bringing the issue up. He also uses misleading viral snippets to try to create a sense of futility in the effort to contain disease pathogens from proliferating within the U.S.A. over international borders.
On the idea of the California Congressman to spend a couple billion to build a snipable fence that could not be completely effective without electrification from solar power collectors, I suggest that instead a cost study/engineering feasibility study and such be done along with environmental impact research to determine the possibility of building a small boat canal along the southern border from the Gulf of Mexico to Phoenix connecting to the Gulf of California or Sea of Cortez and conquistadores would say.
The 1800 mile canal approx. would have many lochs and lagoons, and would be supplied with saltwater pumped in tube siphons between the Gulf of Mexico and Pacific...perhaps extra pipelines could be used to generate electricity with the difference in Sea level between the two oceans on either side of North America. California could get the fence, or the canal could be extended somewhat beyond El Centro California although it could never co over the Mountains to San Diego and the Pacific. Maybe retiring Justice O'Conner could lead the Project to create an American small boat canal and recreational waterway with border security features for the new Port of Phoenix.
CDC quote "H5N2 in Texas – 2004
In February 2004, an outbreak of highly pathogenic avian influenza (HPAI) A (H5N2) was detected and reported in a flock of 7,000 chickens in south-central Texas. This was the first outbreak of HPAI in the United States in 20 years."
Did the Texas mad cow case involve a Mexican steer? Did this Texas chicken virus involve birds from Chihuahua?
If an outbreak of a human wildfire pathogen develops in Mexico it could be brought here by illegal aliens.
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