Christianity Doesn't Postulate Theistic Structures in Physical Space

 Christianity doesn’t have material structures in space as personifications of God. The rainbow is a reminder from God of quantum physics in the New Testament, yet it isn’t such that it comprises a cosmology. Some reference the Church that is the body of Christ on Earth because Christ cares for the saved who do some of his work. It is a metaphor to explain the unity of the Church. It is not a cosmology. God transcends the physical universe- He is spirit. Material structures shouldn’t be used to understand the theology/theoretical being of God. He is pure spirit and the composition of the universe is less than putty to Him. The Word of God is a reference to a role of Christ (in the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God). If one wants a paradigm for understanding that compare Plotinus’ Enneads about The Intelligence. Plotinus wrote a couple of centuries after the Apostle John more or less. I appreciate the reference to existence as “a thought in the mind of God”. There is no structure in the Universe that isn’t contingent being.

Just going on what is written in scripture. I have read the Bible a fair amount the past 65 years so one need trust one’s familiarity with such things. I am happy to learn of serious Biblical scholar opinions that would refute that one point. Certainly Biblical scholars still provide a lot of insight regarding things I didn’t know about the Bible. One might mention Old Testament things like Ezekiel’s wheels (Ezekiel 1: 15-21 and various prophetic descriptions yet the New Testament has none of that. The Revelation has metaphor yet it is challenging to interpret. Martin Luther said it had a lot of straw. Preterists and partial preterists tend to regard the Revelation as referring to the approaching apocalypse of the annihilation of Jerusalem in 70 A.D. The numbers 666 for example; the mark of the beast, is a Jewish reference to Nero. (cf “”666 spells Nero” stems from the gematria (a system of assigning numerical values to letters) interpretation of the name “Nero Caesar” in Hebrew, which translates to נרון קסר (NRON QSR) and purportedly sums to 666″). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTRFJBvB_sw

Investigative Reduction to Find a Foundation of Existence?

 “A Different Universe; Reinventing Physics from the Bottom Up’ by Robert Laughlin- a Nobel Laureate in Physics was a good read. It was some time ago when I read that. He speculated about phase changes comprehensively reforging nature, including mind. Scalar fields aren’t the only sort of potential analogy for space-time histories. God may have issued Leibniz’s one-dimensional spiritual monads with a thought- one couldn’t use a reductionist investigation from a Universe to reach a point before the existence of mind with much conviction. It’s always an extrapolation of what probably occurred. One sets compass directions and speculates on what can be found at the start or end rather, if one goes an infinite distance in time and space and what can be found there. One seeks theory-consistent candles at half the distance to the theoretical end that might provide confirmation. Until one has a better theory some are satisfied they have produced the final theory and explanation of everything.

A theory of God besides that of divine revelation is as difficult to prove or disprove as the existence of extraterrestrials that may deem it better to stay hidden or that have evolved to a non-physical, non-planetary form of being. I appreciate frontier scouts mapping the known and speculating about lies beyond the observable.

https://www.udio.com/songs/ppYMShLZBG91focYi1NUDe

Physicists speculate that below absolute zero there is a phase change to infinitely hot. Hell may be the necessary destiny for all that have an immortal soul and aren't gathered to heaven with Jesus Christ; the universe would take the lost to a singularity and infinite heat or a phase change from a cold dead low temperature Kelvin Universe to absolute hot.

I believe comparing human and artificial intelligence and the question of if they are the same thing or equivalents is easy to provide an answer to. It is like comparing a carburetor or distributor to human intelligence and asking if they are the same thing. A.I. is a kind of fancy distributor of bits or qubits quite unlike a mind. Maybe computer architecture could get more bits for the buck if they used motion with existing micro-circuits in some way to multiply logic gate grids in Hilbert Space. Maybe they could add more dimensions to logic gate grids.

Hegel was just providing a scaffold for Darwin and Marx, each of whom would deny the teleology of Hegel. I lean toward agreement that dualism doesn't need to be in an either/or relationship with physicalism in the same manner that monism and pluralism may simultaneously coexist in physicalist parameters for a Universe. The actual construction of quantum field, particle-waves etc are very strange in regard to a wealth of philosophic lexicons. Plainly mind is a different configuration of field entanglement. Since all other physical elements tie into the basic local field (the Higgs) providing an extra dimension for two dimensional, massless particles it is reasonable to expect that mind and intentionality also alter quantum relationships. It is difficult to know if that is permanent. Free will is apparently another emergent state or phase change arisen from and within the local concatenated field entanglement compresence.

On Christology

 Christology is not a simple subject. Even so I would say that making categories a,b,c, regarding what comprises a human or “a complete human” are not very satisfactory, much less applied to Christ. One can make a set of word to comprise a definition and invalidate that criteria with formal logical examination. One might define the parameters for an ostrich and if it includes fins then the criterion is wrong. One never gets anything more than words that are logically consistent with the criterion you built. Words are different than objects.

There is the additional problem of words as definite articles compounded, with those words individually difficult to define through reductionist procedures. One has trouble defining a spirit, a mind etc. especially as contingent objects. The divine nature and character cannot be defined exhaustively for that is not an object of human knowledge. How the Spirit of God indwells Christ as a human is not something that can definitely be known. neither is it simple to define what a soul is or how it is constructed; it could just be information or a record that God keeps of the data of a human life. If programmers can know the data that makes a program or an AI and recover it if hardware breaks down I am sure that God can do better than the best quantum computer would ever be able to do in order to capture the entirety of information that makes a human being, soul etc. what it is.

At end one can say that Christ was fully human and God. He is The Son and is Spirit as are the Father and the Holy Spirit. As a human physically he knew God the Father. One cannot satisfy the criterion of defining the proportions or composition of Jesus in regard to the other two members of the Triune God through physical means.

https://www.udio.com/songs/ppYMShLZBG91focYi1NUDe

Reductionism of Materialism Yields Uncertainty

 A problem with materialism is that it tends to dissolve into uncertainty considered with physics reductionism. Dualism compounds the uncertainty. M/Q=U. Materialism divided by quanta equals uncertainty. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z08ci_g9SGg

Reductionism of materialism yields uncertainty at the smallest and largest levels. It probably will always be so. Yet one can mold and fabricate with the given of physicalism from mud bricks to quantum computers and that, ultimately is what materialists love. Philosophically though materialism or physicalism is a reference parameter for words rather than a final destination. Without the Spirit in-dwelling a life resurrection unto life will not occur and the worldly mind that hates God does prevail, and that leads to death. A field tied locally in knots of clove hitches or strings rippling with uncertainty that may be the will of God; that will always be a delimiter of uncertainty running into Godel's limits. Yet the quest for learning is always admired. 

Metaphysical Non-Sense

 I will try to provide an answer without gnostic non-sense yet with sufficient non-sense to qualify as a proto-metaphysical kernal. Metaphysics is something someone does in a gravity protected shelter somewhere near the event horizon of a black hole to contemplate if one is a holographic representation of a higher dimensional universe if they would still be entangled in a real Higgs Field or just one they imagine exists on the basis of inferences of noumena.

A Form of Monophysitism and Arian Heresy Persist

The Arian heresy and Monphysites have been about quite some time. One need be blind not to see the Trinity in the New Testament. God the Father and The Son are quite distinct. Jesus and Paul each referred to the Holy Spirit.

There are dozens of neo Cabalistic derivatives of a Philo of Alexandria - Pierre Tielhard De Jardin formulation floating about as well. Muhammad' s father was keeper of the Kabbalah until fired and he probably didn't experience more secret insight pagan schemes.

I have read Plato and Aristotle and found no mention of a trinity. Some pre-Platonic philosophers had pluralism yet their concepts of god were quite different from God of Christians and Jews. The profusion of modern heretical doctrines ill-informed of history surpasses even those of agnostics and syncretist of the ancient past.

Plotinus the neo Platonist had the One and the Nous, I believe it was, yet Plotinus wrote in the third century a.d., not the first. He perhaps adapted Platonism to a more Christian paradigm-he was brilliant after all; even so Augustine quit  being a follower of Plotinus and converted to Christianity. Obviously pagans had innumerable gods for every occasion.

Replies to a Hater of God

Following are my replies to a hater of God from a FB chatroom. I haven’t included his attacks here. I can however use the material again. since the attacks are rather genetic.

The OP was just on the topic of what is the fundamental stuff of the universe; is it information?

Information is meaningful for sentients. Within noumena for-itsrlf nothing is meaningful or prioritized unless God deems it so. For humans I would say fields are fundamental and waves an aspect of them.

-You may feel that way but the comment is irrelevant in the criterion of considering the noumenon. Non-sentient being has no meaning, unless for God. To clarify that for you; subtracting human and any other sentient beings existing in the phenomenal nothing meaningful exists with the sole possible exception being God who may issue the noumenon. I am aware that some atheists and agnostics would fail to understand that, believing they would need to concede the existence of God to agree with the point even though that is not at all necessary. Even so some would yet wish to express their unbelief and make some sort of ad hominem or psychological comment on anyone making that point

– Ivmight point out that even Sartre made a comparable point when he said in Being and Nothingness that only God could see the world and how others of the world see him at the same time. People have said that Sartre didn’t believe in God, although I can’t confirm that. Regardless belief isn’t necessary to consider a supernatural supreme being author of reality in relationship to non,-sentient mass and noumena that no sentience coheres in to know or care about.

-You brought up the topic of ancient Greece with a false claim that I didn’t take ancient Greek history seriously so I controverted that falsehood. Flipping about between ad hominems and topics is polemical- not philosophical. Philosophy is a reasoned activity not a flight from straw man to straw man deflection.

The OP concerned in effect, Shannon entropy and the question of it being fundamental or alternatively, what is fundamental- i.e. fermions, bosons etc. You’re tangential diatribes are off topic.

Apparently you are motivated by a hatred of Christianity and attack the concept of God like a bull charging a red flag wherever you encounter it.

Ancient history is a continuum so far as it is known. Even the 11th century b,c settlements in Anatolia and the Levant are meaningful for Christians. The Younger Dryas and change of climate and sea level with the Saudi peninsula are relevant. History doesn’t wear blinders.

-“Nature integrates values” is an anthropomorphic proposition. Collingwood might have observed that it presupposes nature as having values. “We integrate values whether we agree or not” is an equivocation begging the point of self-contradiction implicitly. Nature is not a synonym for an individual or humanity. Asserting the equivalence effectively dissolves reason into matter or presupposes the reason of nature, perhaps as an intelligible monism.

Greek history is pretty irrelevant to the OP and correcting falsehood is not unwise. Your assertion that I didn’t take ancient Greek history seriously was false- the best way to show that was citing some of my reading in the field.

-I would agree that Greek philosophy is not the most direct way to reply to the OP although I wouldn’t rule it out since preSocratics like Parmenides and Heraclitus were keenly interested in such matters. You brought ancient Greece up- not me. History of the Maccabees or Assyrian invasion of Judah won’t build up a good answer to the question; try this free course online if you are interest in Greek philosophy before Plato. https://coursera.org/learn/plato

-The 11th millennium BCE is a good place to start learning about civilization. I haven't time to instruct you on history, on Socrates' inquiries into truth or the condition of being lost spiritually and predestination to heaven or hell. Reliance on global warming gas generating fuels for transport isn't very inventive or adaptive. https://youtu.be/vXJc-Y3Mf5w?feature=shared

Common street wisdom aka common philosophy is substantially different from the prescriptive, analytic and speculative philosophical ventures of philosophers the past 3700 years. Maybe the question is to what extent does one need to examine life to merit being regarded as a philosopher. Philosophy or wisdom may require more than channel surfing, Nintendo and sports, working for corporate or satiation with prosperity. The standard may be non-philosophical.  Philosophers are not a demographic majority.

Refining Writing Art; Form vs Function

 There are several ways of viewing the matter of Form vs function. The question for balancing creativity versus composition applies in many fields including writing fiction. To some form is all important; aesthetics are what matter. For others function is the essential purpose of building a story, building or whatever.

Solzhenitsyn's 'The Seventh Circle's fulfilled a purpose with expository writing through fiction of explaining life in the gulag for intellectuals. A philosopher writing science fiction would have a purpose- the function being invaluable and the form secondary. Plato's book The Republic, is logical analysis going so far in describing the realm of forms that it may be regard as science fiction twenty-three hundred years before Mary Shelly wrote Frankenstein. Like Sartre, Plato's prose- the syntagmatic axis, were flawless.

Without function and purpose that is interesting and edifying a novel is like an electric car without a battery. The paradigmatic axis need be built into a story as the chassis. One may produce beautiful meaningless verbiage without it. Build the story with a purpose and use the editing features described  others of rough draft and subsequent stages of refinement.  It is quite difficult to infuse purpose into a story with editing.

Cosmology and Noumena

The noumenon includes all those fermions, bosons and host fields being in and out of space-time that I suspect may be far more complex than science knows. To say that countervailing coefficients of uncertainty may be implicit in pragmatic assumptions about cosmic causality and deep structure is putting it mildly. Even if science is satisfied with the beauty of an explanatory theory it may have an exhaustive and exclusive truth value comparable to those of the third millennium b.c.e.

Fault-tolerant quantum computing moving toward million qubit processing when actualized may provide analysis of structure at an atomic level. Even if more advanced marjorana particle processors delve into quarks and bosons i.m.o. science would be working pejorative reality in a phenomenal virtual box.

“Topological quantum processor uses Majorana zero modes for fault-tolerant computing” https://phys.org/news/2025-02-topological-quantum-processor-majorana-modes.html

A Reminder of the Problem of Sin

 Adam and Eve sinned; they learned the difference between good and evil. Animals don’t know anything about moral philosophy yet humans did. The pair were evaluated and found to have missed the mark (sin). Ever since humanity has known the difference between good and evil and they have been in a thermodynamic containment facility. From natural immortality-spiritually perhaps, they were downloaded into mortality in a probably populated world. Jesus Christ atoned for the sin that is inherent in human beings. Those with faith in Jesus in particular are covered from the sin-debt by God who only sees The Son whom is perfect. God cannot tolerate sin in the eternal or divine economy. Sin means to miss the mark-as in archery. There will be no wobbly, off-kilter humans-wayward, willful and disrespectful of God that feel they can be as they are without correction going on into forever with the Lord Jesus Christ. The saved are blessed (it means to sprinkle with blood) by God who sacrificed his Son to pay the penalty for sin that is death. Humanity so often confused or loses understanding of the matter, as they do about wars and other matters that are inferior to peace. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWSRgPpYKrg&t=115s

Post-Tribulation End TImes With Jesus and YHWH

 A Baptist minister said to me once that The Revelation was like a newspaper written for Christians of the time of John of Patmos. It needed to be slightly coded because Nero probably would have had John executed instead of just exiled if John had described Nero as the Beast. I like the partial preterist interpretation of John with the apocalypse occurring in the first century A.D. with the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70 and the terrible persecutions by the world government of the region that was Imperial Rome. 

Post-tribulation interpretations differ from pre-tribulation interpretations popularized by Charles Ryrie. Remember that end times pre-tribbers have existed since the first century and they tend to be wrong- except for the one that Jesus said would occur and that did within that generation. Jesus will return some time yet it will be different from the pre-tribber version that some Christians have, comparable to that of Muslim Shi'ite 12ers that believe the hidden imam will return before Armageddon and Jesus will lead the Muslim troops. One might read He Shall Have Dominion by Kenneth Gentry to learn about post-millennialism.

I enjoy being reminded of Christian themes amid all the clutter. I took a two year graduate course in reformed theology on-line in theology and my mentor lost my work. I published my papers in three volumes free to download at my web page. I read people like Thomas Brooks and Shaff’s multi-volume History of the Christian Church (free to download at several sites) https://ccel.org/ccel/s/schaff/hcc8/cache/hcc8.pdf

The post on the meaning of the tetragrammaton was a timely and good topic that led me to learn a little more about it. I found an article on it at The Torah.com with a quote from that below. https://www.thetorah.com/article/yhwh-the-original-arabic-meaning-of-the-name#:~:text=God%20reveals%20his%20name%20to,%2C%20desire%2C%20or%20passion.%E2%80%9D 

“God reveals his name to Moses as “I am,” from the Hebrew root ה.ו.י, “being.” The name YHWH, however, originates in Midian, and derives from the Arabic term for “love, desire, or passion.”

שמות ו:ב וַיְדַבֵּר אֱלֹהִים אֶל מֹשֶׁה וַיֹּאמֶר אֵלָיו אֲנִי יְ־הוָה. ו:ג וָאֵרָא אֶל אַבְרָהָם אֶל יִצְחָק וְאֶל יַעֲקֹב בְּאֵל שַׁדָּי וּשְׁמִי יְ־הוָה לֹא נוֹדַעְתִּי לָהֶם.

Exod 6:2 God spoke to Moses and said to him, “I am YHWH. 6:3 I appeared to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob as El Shaddai, but I did not make Myself known to them by My name YHWH.

Saved by Faith, Not Works

Calvinists believe one is saved through faith alone (sola fide). Yet believe that if one is saved they shall do good works. Some say that if one doesn't show good works then they probably weren't saved. Calvinists believe scripture including that of James. The brother of Jesus said in chapter 2:"

14 "What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?" 15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,

16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?

17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?"

Though Christians are saved through faith, they have an avocation in the world. Paul wrote in Ephesians 2:10 ""For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them".

 Even good works are the result of grace

Context in Proverbs Chapter 3 Verse 5

One might want a little more context; “3 My son, forget not my law; but let thine heart keep my commandments:

2 For length of days, and long life, and peace, shall they add to thee.

3 Let not mercy and truth forsake thee: bind them about thy neck; write them upon the table of thine heart:

4 So shalt thou find favour and good understanding in the sight of God and man.

5 Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.”

Trusting in God now is trusting in God; the Father, the Lord Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit. Faith in God does not require abandoning reason. Mind does not work that way. One may have faith that a barbeque shredded beef sandwich quality is healthful and give thanks to God at the same time.

One might want a little more context; “3 My son, forget not my law; but let thine heart keep my commandments:

2 For length of days, and long life, and peace, shall they add to thee.

3 Let not mercy and truth forsake thee: bind them about thy neck; write them upon the table of thine heart:

4 So shalt thou find favour and good understanding in the sight of God and man.

5 Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.”

Trusting in God now is trusting in God; the Father, the Lord Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit. Faith in God does not require abandoning reason. Mind does not work that way. One may have faith that a barbeque shredded beef sandwich quality is healthful and give thanks to God at the same time.

Trust in God is comparable in some respects to trusting in your instructors the first time you make a head-first Australian repel that you won't just fall and hit the ground. It is like trusting a guide to lead you across the desert or a navigator to make a course across the sea. Edifying Bible reading is for your own benefit. Trust in God is not retirement from effort or responsibility. As is said God has a plan for your life