Christian and Secular Government misc

Regarding use of nukes in 1945: it wasn’t my choice. As with the impending Third World War, I would have tried different approaches to international relations that didn’t culminate in war. Pres Truman was elected by voters that didn't want more constituents to die if it wasn't necessary. Obviously I wasn’t involved then nor in the Vietnam conflict in making political decisions. Far beyond my social mileau. A post prompted me to reflect on the relationship between the sacred and the profane. Bill Clinton led the profane government for example rather than the sacred.

Augustine wrote about the City of God vs the city of Man. People often. They don't understand the circumstance of man with original sin that last throughout life...it's problematic in a thermodynamics field, and forgiveness of sin by the sacrifice of Jesus. The sin of Christians is covered by the shed blood of Jesus so God doesn't see it, yet while in the world Christians remain human and there is a conflict between the sacred and the profane where all humanity coheres. The profane don't have that conflict if unsaved. Presidents and other leaders revert to normal human conduct common to history when pressed, if they are even saved. The world always needs someone to blame... that's s.o.p. Finding Godly leaders to bring the world to Christ and his ethics when most of the world is lost isn't as easy as training a lion to be a vegetarian

Jesus said that in heaven people neither marry or are given in marriage. What is male and female except for sexual differences of beings for reproduction in a thermodynamics field? An eternal being, God isn’t likely to have a gender. He is in his own class; sui generis, Spirit. Jesus called him Father, and himself The Son. That is a relationship humans do not fully know. It’s easier to learn why gravity was the first force to go its own way after inflation.

Individuals are saved by Christ. All humans are subject to thermodynamics and all that means from energy input to procreation, greed, desire etc Corrupt or misunderstanding Christian leaders can support select secular government actions like war on occasion yet they are far better off simply doing what Jesus instructed in the Bible.

There has been a lot of political tragedy in the world. Secular governments with sovereignty in the west were nearly always independent of Christian leaders. Even the crusades were fought by kings not under direct subordination to a Pope or Protestant leaders. 

Was Pope Gregory right in motivating the crusades? He was not a general or ruler of nations that heeded his call. The crusades were a reaction to Muslim invasions of Europe on three fronts. Christians believe God can use secular governments to work his will yet like the free will debate no one can understand the criterion exhaustively.

Secular government leaders are glad to draw in anything that will bring them support. They haven’t over history required urging to increase political power, expand the realm or increase wealth.

God may try to improve the quality of secular governments over time evolving them in accord with a purpose.

King Leopold wasn’t a priest. Neither were Democrat Presidents Tuman, LBJ and Biden. Incidentally some say the Japanese nukes incentivized the Soviets not to continue west in 1945 to capture what Hitler lost. It was a tragic use of technology obviously. It spared 250 thousand US casualties invading Japan and possibly more in Europe. Entirely secular.

Individuals saved by Christ try to follow His way. Results on Earth may vary, though the grace of God moves them forward with eternal life transcending physical death. It isn’t about money though. Matthew 19:24 “And again I say unto you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the Kingdom of God.”

An Appearance and Order of Fundamental Forces

I have considered an order of appearance of the fundamental forces recently. Gravity emerged first. One wonders why. It appeared after the inflation, and forces that permitted particles and matter afterward.  Gravity may have stopped inflation when it appeared and let inflation occur before it existed. Gravity may have been produced by inflation. It is interesting to consider the strong and electroweak force; with the latter further divided into electromagnetism, the weak force and the Higgs Field.

 The strong and weak forces  each appear when two-dimensional particles become entangled in the Higgs.  The strong and weak forces could be apparent rather than fundamental forces.

 It seems as if there is an underlying medium of the Universe continuing from the singularity that isn't gone and is not observable directly.

Gravity though was distributed evenly throughout space-time with inflation and might be like a dark energy cosmological constant trying to return spacetime totally to singularity. It was blown off first and is the weakest force, yet seems like an unwillingly detached property of the singularity.

All Life is Capitalist

Everything in nature is capitalist; they try to get more and expand...even amoeba and communists. Some self-aware primates aren't aware of thermodynamics. It's important for societies to direct that drive to expand into positive political channels letting sustainable development of everyone receive optimal opportunity.

Build Electro-Magnetic Fields From Earth to Proxima Centauri

When an electro-magnetic interplanetary module accelerator is built in the solar system travel will be much faster than with rockets. People could live about anywhere. Solarpumk habitas may fly out toward Proxima Centauri B at half the speed of light eventually. Converting Solar energized laser and particle beams to push charged spaceships, and draw them to places like Proxima in vast right wing emg fields energized with starlight could be free enterprise efforts in a century if humanity can survive till Jan 20, 2025.

Woke and Truth Theory

Axiology and other views need be subjectively held. That is one’s opinion is subjective. Truth theories too have a subjective metaphysical essence. The disquotation theory of truth is pragmatic. I would guess that woke is a package of political preferences more than a philosophical outlook, though the later may exist in an unrooted kind of way.

Does one need purple hair to be woke, and what about the challenges for people with significant hair loss? Maybe in accepting Nietzsche’s Beyond Good and Evil Paradigm it should be remembered that Nietzsche may have been boosted there by an advanced stage of syphilis causing dementia.

There may be different categories of truth references. Disquotation theory can point to God as Truth in itself for example within a language list without disquotation theory being the same kind of truth.

Society requires objective rules to function well. So many people require traffic signals-even the woke, to go about their business and reduce unintended collisions.  Civil governance is required regardless of one’s opinion on truth theory. Democracy has an implicit pragmatic operating system that cannot withstand its abandonment for the notion that truth is subjective.

Einstein’s wild hair and relativity theory may have stimulated a cascade of woke emulators.  I believe that Einstein on truth theory might have opted in for an objective basis for space-time and said that human statements about it can be true or false.

About Logic

A silly, grossly invalid syllogism.

premise 1  All men are mortal

premise 2  Janey Socrates is not a man

Conclusion-  Janey Socrates is immortal.

Mark Bendig Not sure what you mean. It remains entirely wrong. There are 256 possible forms of syllogism and just 24 are valid. People know that faulty premises make even logically true forms yield wrong conclusions. 

The logic of your argument is implicitly invalid. Your conclusion doesn't follow from the premises...it contradicts them, so it's ian nvalid form.

Someone wrote" P1. If god does not exist, objective morals do not exist. 

P2. Objective morals do exist 

C. Therefore god does not exist."

One can recapitulate it better like this; If A then B...Not B...A

An arithmetic statement like this has the same form...  

premise 1  If Fred goes to work Fred gets 5 dollars

Premise 2.  Fred did not go to work

Conclusion.   Fred gets 5 dollars

Your's is a biconditional statement with wrong premises.. One can make up a valid one of course like ""A number is even if and only if it is divisible by 2" and test various numbers with it or give a specific example of a number that is odd.

Premises A and B are faulty and the conclusion invalid.It is like building a truth table with Boolean Algebra and dumping wrong values in it, if that were useful. Although besides computer logic maybe people don't really care. 'Boolean Expression Q = A.B'. is meaningless to most. Maybe logic gates are like propositional logic with however many test conditions put together in valid constructions.

Some define morality as being an actual description of human behavior perhaps written in symbolic form. The ten commandments were objective morality as a divine command yet people didn't follow them well. God complained about what the ancient Jewish tribe actually did. What they did was their morality.

Morality

It was said that morality is a description of how people and society actually conduct themselves in social behavior. One might then ask why people and societies behave as they do? Such as escalation to nuclear war instead of balancing a federal budget; is the former moral behavior and the latter immoral?

Some Wonder About Shi'ism

There are courses on comparative religion. One may read history too and study topics on Islam from the foundation and rivalry of successors to Muhammad resulting in the killing of Hussain (cf if disciples of Jesus had killed one another to become head of the church after Jesus) to the purge in Iran of Zoroastrianism to the hidden imam and especially interesting is Shi'a eschatology comparable to that of pre-tribulationist Christians because it was inspired by the New testament hermeneutics of some, not all Christians of the era.

Innate Knowledge of God?

Chomsky and Everett' debated over the question of grammer being innate for humans and didn't have a decisive outcome.

 Maybe it was surpassed by an emergent paradigm. It did at least have few complex concepts strung together in support of unobservable points although one could certainly create various tests for humans and apes. 

The way humans apprehend and appearance of God in any form including communication is entirely live and up to God. He has communicated with individuals in different ways history recounts. The book of Jeremiah has a passage where God said that everyone will know him:  31-34"And they shall teach no more every man his neighbor and every man his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord.’ For they shall all know Me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them,” saith the Lord, “for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.”

In Jeremiah where God said that his people had forgotten him, that probably meant they had fallen away from a right relationship and worship. 15"15 Because My people hath forgotten Me, they have burned incense to vanity; and they have caused them to stumble in their ways from the ancient paths, to walk in paths, on a road not cast up,".

One might argue comparably that humans have no innate knowledge of morality or the differences between good and evil. Strong opinions exist on each side.

Some might wonder if humans have an innate sense of the passage of time or if it is simply biological challenges that press that are the real time experience. Then scientist theorize that time be an apparent phenomenon of quantum entanglement and might not really exist. More options on shifting sand. https://www.thebrighterside.news/discoveries/time-may-be-an-illusion-new-study-finds/

Phenomenalism and Realism

Quine said he was a physicalist once when asked. Yet he’s also a realist concerning math. I believe people are entanglements in the Higgs field as is all matter. There isn’t anything unless it’s spirit that would outlast the structural change of the field…maybe not even information.

Eventually, like one of those disappearing knots everything returns to two dimension massless waves with probabilities of being somewhere and that may become just space and nothing.

Once after an  abcessed tooth developed I discovered that eating chocolate would make me lose balance and I would slowly fall to the ground tilting left with my mind seeming to break apart into quarters. It was a terrible experience that would go away when my head was on the ground.

That made me aware of the phenomenal temporality of mind.  I went to an orthodontist and got the tooth pulled. The experience disappeared yet I remember.

In late October 2018 I took a 13 foot boat south from Juneau 160 miles with a 2.5hp outboard. Wind and waves came up in Stephens Passage/Taku Inlet and I had to basically surf the vessel across crests and trough side seas for an hour until nearing Slocum Inlet. I prayed all the way across. It was phenomenal. One error and the boat capsizes in cold water, yet it worked out dry. That too made existence seem more phenomenal, comparing analogously a ram entangled in a bush to life entangled in the Higgs Field.

So I have faith in God yet still have interest in ‘reality’ and its nature. Having read Plato as my first philosophy I regard the realm of forms as a kind of template for quanta so far as humans can consider it. I tend to leave the location of data storage for blueprints with God for I have no idea where actual abstract universals would be physically stored in this Universe.

Husserl wrote 'Logical Investigations'. A tome on philosophy as rigorous science. I am not sure that he achieved proving the point. He did create phenomenology though. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edmund_Husserl

Is Money Necessary for a Philosopher

Philosophers can live like Diogenes and be indifferent to economic concerns while considering that Jesus said not to worry about material things.  There may be a benefit to viewing society without being owned in effect by corporatism or teacher’s unions. Cynics needed a bit of grace to in an era when even a Roman Emperor like Sulla could die from having his guts fall out from worms. If everyone is driving an auto in during the Anthropocene isn’t it better to walk more than average?

Mexican Loss of the West

Mexico claimed the Pacific Coast of North America yet couldn’t defend it’s claim. They had revolted against Spain yet without understanding the dynamic tension between rival claims on the land of the American west.

California was. run by Mexico 24 years before Californians revolted. In the meanwhile in 1836 Russians built a colony at Ft Ross in Sonoma county.The Bear Flag Republic is comparable to the Republic of Texas that revolted too.

https://www.nps.gov/goga/learn/historyculture/spanish-mexican-period.htm#:~:text=The%20Spanish%20colony%20of%20Mexico,won%20its%20freedom%20from%20Spain.

If Mexico had recognized Texas’s indepence the Mexican-American war might not have followed in which it lost the rest of the west except for areas ceded by the Gadsden Purchase. Britain had also sought California yet after the war of 1812 turned its attention further north. Britain contested with the USA to set the boundary. Russia sold Alaska to the USA to prevent it from becoming part of British Canada.

U.S. Grant fired artillery from the second floor of a building on the campaign to Mexico City. The USA could have made Mexico a part of the USA back then. The states are supposed to join voluntarily though. Maybe Mexico should petition to join today and share rem and the 34 trillion dollar public debt.

Biden Intent Seems to be an Upgrade to N.A.T.O. War vs. Russia

 Ukraine has begun using American and English missiles to attack Russia. The President appears to intend to provoke Russia to retaliate against England and the U.S.A. in order to bring N.A.T.O. into the war. I repeat that the President seems incompetent in his job performance or is totally sold out to a Ukraine first policy.

Response from Russia

Seemingly he has no wish to allow the President-elects peace plan to end the conflict to have a chance of seeing the light of day.

update on the missiles

Noah's Flood May Have Happened with Climate Change

I tend to regard the flood story as entirely true. It is consistent with a first civilization located somewhere along the Persian Gulf being catastrophicly inundated by a late Wisconsin era sudden sea level rise. Perhaps that mud brick city state was located on a sand spit or other seaside location where fishing and trade was especially good. People still build in flood prone areas. The sea level was about 200 feet lower in that era. Melting glaciers upstream, climate change, heavy rains, slow moving  typhoons in combination may have drowned the world those people new entirely and taken Noah's vessel upstream toward. Urartu. Ararat was a later Hebrew transliteration of Urartu. A broad flood in the Mesopotamian lowlands perhaps as far back as 12,000 BC is credible for me.

Reason and Emotion

Emotions tend to fade into the background when one discovers that they don’t make a difference to reality physically. Harsh climate, weather, freezing, starvation rough seas, persecution and other forms of challenges can only be overcome intellectually rather than emotionally. The world doesn’t care at all what one’s emotions are, so why have them at all, is a paradigm with a substantive measure of validity.

Perhaps one may allow love of God to be the background emotion for detached reason, and care generally for the good of mankind

Do Humans Have Innate Knowledge of God?

Chomsky and Everett’ debated over the question of grammer being innate for humans and didn’t have a decisive outcome.

Maybe it was surpassed by an emergent paradigm. It did at least have few complex concepts strung together in support of unobservable points although one could certainly create various tests for humans and apes.

The way humans apprehend and appearance of God in any form including communication is entirely live and up to God. He has communicated with individuals in different ways history recounts. The book of Jeremiah has a passage where God said that everyone will know him: 31-34″And they shall teach no more every man his neighbor and every man his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord.’ For they shall all know Me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them,” saith the Lord, “for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.”

In Jeremiah where God said that his people had forgotten him, that probably meant they had fallen away from a right relationship and worship. 15″15 Because My people hath forgotten Me, they have burned incense to vanity; and they have caused them to stumble in their ways from the ancient paths, to walk in paths, on a road not cast up,”. Human knowledge is imperfect and concerns temporal and phenomenal.

One might argue comparably that humans have no innate knowledge of morality or the differences between good and evil. Strong opinions exist on each side.

Some might wonder if humans have an innate sense of the passage of time or if it is simply biological challenges that press that are the real time experience. Then scientist theorize that time be an apparent phenomenon of quantum entanglement and might not really exist. More options on shifting sand.

https://www.thebrighterside.news/discoveries/time-may-be-an-illusion-new-study-finds/

It is more reasonable to start with monism rather than pluralism in the beginning. Algorithms and other parts are pluralistic. If the Universe was initially an existing slum- say, a huge war had left it in bits and pieces, something great might have been built from misc algorithms that whirred and hummed efficiently. The Triune God notably avoids the Monism/Pluralism duality through being one yet three simultaneously. Information of everything possible is reducible to less than zero dimensions at singularity for omniscience in-itself.

Mind, Matter and Analytic Philosophy

Is there an abstract world such as exists in imagination or a Platonic realm of ideas? Alternatively a tie coat.might exist in language to cover the world with solar voltaic paint metaphorically speaking. The point where mind and conscious, abstract thought merges with matter would be insensible and non- sentient. Sentience in the border would discontinue. Quine”s analytic approach is still valid regarding epistemology paradigmata. People do perceive matter in their own way. Matter fir-itself is probably completely dark.

There are some vicious attacks on Analytic Philosophy. I found a reference to APS- the immune syndrome attacks healthy cells. Ad hominems do that; lysergic attacks. Analytic philosophy isn’t psychotic. Ayer should have thought of that as a defense for empiricism. Quine’s reasoning seemed correct on language to me. Ontological relativity and other essays was a great collection. Maybe from the Tarner lectures. The meanings of words have nominal values with use and can evolve or disappear rather than last forever in a realist sense. Kripke had a neo-realist opinion that was reasonable too. Neither were the least psychotic.

Bringing naturalist epistemology into the discussion was helpful. Apparently Quine is credited with inventing the term  I need to read more on that subject and discovered much material. I tend to view the human experience as one of existing within quantum fields providing sensations for sentients composed in them. https://iep.utm.edu/nat-epis/

Quine’s point of view is based on logical analysis of language and ideas about it including the concepts made with language about ‘reality’. I agree that after invalidating empiricism it just left matters there instead of providing a replacement model. Ideas arise in mind rather than in sensations though sensations may  prompt ideas

Charles Sanders Pierce invented pragmatism. C.S. (pronounced purse). He had an interesting life and was fired from a teaching job at Johns Hopkins for marrying a Romani.

There is use of Pierce's scientific method criteria in contemporary applications in programming and tech

 People have commented it is similar to the OODA loop.

On mind Pierce considered ideas to form in a trielectical evolution psychologically.

Perhaps he was influenced by Hegel- that isn't likely though.

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/peirce/#:~:text=So%2C%20as%20it%20turns%20out,greatest%20lower%20bound)%20in%20C.

He ended up living "in near penury". I wonder if the Quine-Putnam 'indispensability argument to categorize math as realist is an example of pragmatic reasoning.

The Drowning Man and World War III

Nietzsche got the idea of eternal recurrence one night walking along the shoreline of Lake Lucerne. He kicked a stone on the beach, a stumbling block as it were, and had his great notion that he had lived the scene and life infinite times before just so. He probably had advanced syphilis at the time and might not have tried to save a drowning man being a superman in his own mind maybe, for being aware of the recurrence and transcendence of morality becoming beyond good and evil. Perhaps a student of 19th century German romanticism was a skeptic until contacted by an operator claiming to be from the future.

https://youtu.be/_h-H3t6nWyw?feature=shared

The operator gave him instructions then returned to his own space-time of origin. The rich person- possibly a woman, man or eunuch sitting on the beach in a splendid chair perhaps brought by porters, may have provided extra motivation for the naked guy to rescue the drowning man perhaps knowing that ten years in the future the drowning man would invent a time travel loophole to the equations of general relativity and send an operative back to 2024 to stop Joe Biden from starting World War III before he left office . The nuclear war created nuclear winter and 5 billion people died.

The frantic unclothed dude swimming in the dark cold water  grasped the drowning man in a headlock from behind and begins side stroking to the distant beach as his strength wanes. The rich guy, seeing that the rescue might not work dives into the fray fully clothed ruining his custom made jimmy chu shoes yet soon grabs both wet rats and pulls them ashore. His 7 foot height let him go 100 feet out yet be able to touch the bottom of the lake that helped ease the intervention.

Ashore he took his basketball and walked away into the starry night leaving the two soaked and gasping men in the sand.

https://youtu.be/DlhWPVJNAOo?feature=shared

Goldfish Cosmology

A goldfish in a tank universe hasn't awareness of physics beyond the horizons of the tank. It hasn't faith in a creator and doesn't believe in metaphysic's speculation about aether beyond the observable horizon or that extra dimensions exist. It's water medium is made of entangled loopy strings that synthesize the material it breathes.

 It reflects sometimes late at night on the origin of the universe tank. It's best guess is that loopy strings oozed as virtual particles from nothingness ( a controversial concept) and were drawn together by gravity, becoming entangled, infinitely concentrated and made into mash at a singularity that broke apart faster than light evolving a universal medium of water and little delicious seahorses to eat. Then the fish has a shot of bourbon before floating off to sleep.

Faith and the Dynamics of Opposition

Faith is still reasonable though it encounters the fight dynamic of faithless expressions intended to reinforce the choice of unbelief. The faithless believe that is intelligent.

Many believe in Multiverses. Matrix, Holographic extra dimensional universes, dark matter and an infinite omniscient God actualizing every possible universe in his mind a priori as a quantum, virtual fact with an apparent 3rd dimensional Higgs Field facilitating iterative functions of mass and energy.

The oldest poem in the English language is the Hymn of Caedmon- an illiterate goat herder/genius … “Now [we] must honour the guardian of heaven, the might of the architect, and his purpose, the work of the father of glory as he, the eternal lord, established the beginning of wonders; he first created for the children of men heaven as a roof, the holy creator then the guardian of mankind, the eternal lord, afterwards” … (Updated to modern English).

Faith in Jesus Christ is pragmatic and historically supported. Empiricism is somewhat dated i.m.o. Cf. Quine's 'The Two Dogmas of Empiricism'. Concepts include any sort of thought, as phenomena. Perhaps a good contemporary dynamic tension is between physics and metaphysics. It is interesting that Kant's categories remain relevant in relation to physics and metaphysics.

Metaphysics in effect means greater physics. its role is inductive rather than deductive so far as it relates to what may be observed. About empiricism- people tend to misunderstand what it was. Read A.J. Ayer's 'Language, Truth and Logic' and then Quine's 'The Two Dogmas of Empiricism' for a better idea of the relationship epistemology has with empiricism, language, knowledge and percepts. Quine demonstrated that empiricism was wrong about its epistemic foundation.

There isn't a direct tie- a necessary tie, between matter and propositions made with thought about matter (or energy etc.) or anything else that imbues a verifiable truth to empirical propositions. An interesting point to consider though is that of computer programming and writing code from mind and thought that can be converted or made into part of reality. One structures ordered languages to perform tasks that are actualized in the objective world.

Maybe Quine would have taken a position like Sartre at that point, or even Bishop Berkeley. Neither implied that man is impotent and incapable of acting in-the-world. The range of human freedom to act is included within the given realm of possible experiences. God could have written code for the Universe or sentient beings in it in a comparable way without the limits given to human knowledge.