Scalar Fields of God's Moral Concern? The Argument by Computer Programmer?

It is not a problem that God could be concerned with human life on Earth in a vast Universe or that evil thought can exist in human society. God evidently has plans to correct the latter at the Day of Judgment if not earlier.

Aren't computer programmers concerned with a few bits that don't function rightly in the context of millions of lines of computer code-or even billions? God with omniscient power can concern himself with the higher forms of being-. People aren't soley inanimate or unthinking objects, human minds are essentially spiritual experiencing matter rather than being only an expression of matter that does not think of itelf as perhaps helium atoms.

It is possible to ask with the psalmist; 'God, what is man that thou art mindful of him' and understand that Jesus Christ has brought humanity the gracee for an even closer personal realationship with The One God.

God creating a universe of universes perhaps simply cancels out sections of alternate potential to allow particular potential to emerge and form within a given spatio-temporal context. If The One issues an emergent pre-Universal field of vitual uncertainty to permit contingent axis of freedom of motion and potential it is posible that The One is interested in mind and spirit more so than inert matter that is not so interesting.

The One may be like a playwright issuing characters more interested in them than in the stage props. In the midst of nowhere, Utopia is a potential ever receeding beyond a horizon of temporal change that even the characters of evil chase after if only for the chance to control beingness.

God is good.

If the faithless lack insight into spiritual things,and pursue the best-case temporal island -hopping of matter as if they were diminishing pieces of ice at sea drfitng south it is yet necesary to learn of what one has faith in or about.

The analogy by computer programming has limits obviously. For one thing humanity doesn't perhaps know what the purpose(s) of the program are, nor what is set to be accomplished (character development?) anything. Some physicists have speculated that the universe is like a hologram (information), and of course it could be more than a reflection of human tecnology analogies of the era.

I think it interesting that the human mind experience occurs at just the right scale and space-time hitory for philosophical speculation-without challenges it might be like a state of entropy existnetially experienced as economic and ecospheric malaise.

There are cosmological theories of the Universe (1) being rebooted periodically since you suggest that point-membrane gong theory, the big crunch, hyper-expansion and a Big Rip etc. It is possible that the teleology of the Universe isn't static like cosmological constants may or may not be. Moving target in space-time, form and purpose could coincide.

It is somewhat undesirable to address several points simultaneously that are worthy of quite a bit more time than I presently have to reply. Many of the questions presented are classic points well written to by many scholars through history. I would like to say here that the use of YHWH as a name for God is of its day. There are additional names such as ‘The God of Abraham’ or ‘The God of Isaac’, Elohim and so forth- the last name probably arising during a redaction by the court in Northern Israel.

Psalm 139:1-12 relates…

"1O lord, thou hast searched me, and known me.

2Thou knowest my downsitting and mine uprising, thou understandest my thought afar off.

3Thou compassest my path and my lying down, and art acquainted with all my ways.

4For there is not a word in my tongue, but, lo, O LORD, thou knowest it altogether.

5Thou hast beset me behind and before, and laid thine hand upon me.

6Such knowledge is too wonderful for me; it is high, I cannot attain unto it.

7Whither shall I go from thy spirit? or whither shall I flee from thy presence?

8If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there.

9If I take the wings of the morning, and dwell in the uttermost parts of the sea;

10Even there shall thy hand lead me, and thy right hand shall hold me.

11If I say, Surely the darkness shall cover me; even the night shall be light about me.

12Yea, the darkness hideth not from thee; but the night shineth as the day: the darkness and the light are both alike to thee."

The idea that God is omniscient and omnipotent is ubiquitous in the Old Testament-consider God’s personal conversation with Job. We are naturally brought to consider the nature of God from the many references in the small books of the Bible.

Reason and logic too bring the philosophically inclined to consider the attributes of God as Creator. Consider the neo-Platonist philosopher Plotinus’ Enneads and his ideas about The One. In this context one is being philosophically rather than legalistically minded. Instead of searching for anecdotal or even physical evidence one is exploiting the powers of reason to consider the Universe and the concept of the nature of its creator. One is considering the nature of God and of the acts of God in shaping existence, and considering the nature of God as an omnipotent, non-contingent being with humanity and the Universe exiting perhaps within a project area set aside by God for actualization.

One may consider the universe as a kind of modal logic paradigm with set theoretical attributes and generate myriad logics of necessity of those Universes. With Quine’s 'Ontological Relativity' in mind we may be aware that our subject idea-lexicons comprise respective conceptual ontologies in our subjective psychological outlook, and again following Quine we are aware that some of these lexical ontologies cannot immediately be translated into other ontologies by each user of the Universe.

People aren't soley inanimate or unthinking objects, human minds are essentially spiritual experiencing matter rather than being only an expression of matter that does not think of itself as perhaps helium atoms.

Sure- I will let spiritual be an open parameter defined by God rather than myself, yet my usage of the term means the conceptual rather than the material aspect of human life. In effect I am calling human experience ‘spiritual’ and something like glacial ice material. It is common these day to describe the functions of human minds biochemically-with more axon connection and different thought configurations possible than there may be individual atom in the Universe (well its ten trillion or whatever multiplied)-yet the experience is fundamentally different-self consciousness-than the insentient life of matter (unless matter is made of one-dimensional spiritual monads as Leibnitz thought).

It is possible to ask with the psalmist; 'God, what is man that thou art mindful of him' and understand that Jesus Christ has brought humanity the gracee for an even closer personal realationship with The One God.

From a human point of view I don’t know what happened to Neanderthal or Homo erectus regarding eternal life. You know some Jews did not believe in resurrection. Presumably they had trust that God’s conducting of experience was good enough-that he had his own plan for everything and would use everything in his omnipotent plan rightly-you know the potter and the clay…

On the point about Jesus-some believe the Gospel and some don’t-predestination of the elect and the damned?

Jesus the Christ is Savior rather than a trap. God became man in the flesh is as personal. That may be as personal as it is likely to get in this existence. One may conjecture about the reality of the historical Caesar or of Jesus Christ. Many believers including myself conclude that he was who He said he was.

God is good.

Jesus is quoted as saying in…

Mark 10:18

King James Version (KJV)

…"18And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God."

The Apostle Paul wrote that none are good (except God). The nature of mankind is fallen, and unacceptable to the perfection of God. Only through the intervention of the blood of Jesus Christ in His atoning sacrifice can man reach heaven. The doctrine of grace lets us be aware that the human paradigm isn’t capable of comprehending the nature of The One. Even the grace is donated and hence the doctrine of election.

The word ‘good’ has copious use in the Bible-people were not trying to give it a platonic form kind of realism meaning for most of that period.

http://www.biblegateway.com/keywor...sion1=9&searchtype=all

If the faithless lack insight into spiritual things,and pursue the best-case temporal island -hopping of matter as if they were diminishing pieces of ice at sea drfitng south it is yet necessary to learn of what one has faith in or about.

I have faith that knowledge besides that brought through scientific method is functional, purposeful and etc. Consider for example history texts that were compiled unscientifically perhaps-yet perhaps not. Science means knowledge-no more, and there are many means of getting knowledge including that of ancient history and inductive reasoning, construction of set theoretic all-possible worlds paradigms and even faith that cannot be precluded from having an actual transcending real object of reference.

Russia Seeks Co-operative Moon Base Direction With N.A.S.A.

Russia-a pioneer in manned space flight-is interested in developing manned moon bases for scientific research with N.A.S.A. The goal is pragmatic, since experience living on the moon would prep the human race for visiting and living on the other moons of the solar system.

http://www.space.com/14290-russia-manned-moon-base-nasa-europe.html

The Russians may be disappointed by the now traditional lethargic U.S. approach to manned space flight that has become set aside and buried under and avalanche of bureaucratic priorities servicing a Wall Street sector concerned with extracting profits from existing business instead of manufacturing or constructing new physical projects.

One hopes that the next U.S. administration will have a change of spirit and co-operate in developing a fleet of new space-transportation modalities of an economic and pragmatic nature with Russia as well as the private sector.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/05/12/emals_backfire/ U.S. Navy works on electro-magnetic mass drivers for launching carrier aircraft

http://www.cyberpursuits.com/space/engineering/massdrivers.asp mass drivers and electro-magnetic launch technology for space

On the Republican's South Carolina Primary Contest: Santorum vs. Gingrich

With Mitt Romney's wealth, Massachusetts origins and endorsement by moderate Republicans being taken as negative qualities by South Carolina-Ft. Sumpter traddition Republicans more than the Abe Lincoln kind to a limited yet meaningful extent the real primary battle is for second place between the winner of the Iowa primary Rick Santorum (declared winner by 34 votes) and his fellow Catholic man-of-faith Newt Gingrich.

Many South Carolina Republicans (and maybe former candidate Rick Perry) believe that a vote for Newt is a vote for a fellow Southern Baptist unaware that in 2009 Gingrich abandoned the sect and became a conversos to the Catholic religion bending his knee to the sect with the most coherent, Catholic political voting block; probably he learned who the major and minor prophets are and can name them blindfolded. Cynics may conjecture that after his divorce from a prior wife he also needed a divorce from his prior sect to restore a Catholicity to his political prospects. Well even if so-all is forgiven-except for Rush Limbaugh's report that ABC has some sort of insider criticism from his former wife on tap for release Monday before the election. While some may sympathize with the plight of Newt, more sensible people prefer Santorum for his leadership qualities in-themselves regardless of the former Speaker's personal concerns..

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/27/newt-gingrich-catholic_n_854562.html

It is difficult to believe that young Americans will find Newt Gingrich much different in 2012 than John McCain in 2008-another retiree on golden pond seeking to enrich retired boomers unhappy with the stock market fortunes. Once again President Obama's supporters may ask 'Do you think the Republican candidate can wake up at 3 a.m. and decide about launching a counter-strike to a new terrorist or conventional emergent danger?''

Rick Santorum is a long-time Catholic without recent troubling moral or sectarian challenge that have caused him to abandon his faith. Santorum is a dynamic candidate adaptable to changing challenges presented by global economic hostile takeover of the U.S. labor and mortgage market yet endowed with inalienable equal faith and trust in God and country. Younger American voters may identify with the vitality and dynamic leadership of Rick Santorum in the fall, if he can get through the house that sees in Newt Gingrich a candidate more sympathetic to Confederated regressivist sentimentality.

President Obama Gets One Right-Stops Redundant Canadian Pipeline Across U.SA. to Export Gasoline to South America

President Obama's decision to stop construction of a vast redundant Canadian pipeline across the U.S.A. -the Keystone Pipeline- to sell gasoline to South America was a good choice-Asian markets like dirty crude oil and will be happy to send their money to Canadians who might in turn by American e-books at Lulu.com- Canadians are smart and inventive people after all.

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-01-18/canada-pledges-to-sell-oil-to-asia-after-obama-keystone-denial.html

The United States should develop its own alternative and clean energy infrastructure to meet its own transportation and energy needs. Dumb nations tend to become broke and the United States cannot afford to rely another century upon global warming and trade deficit causing dirty fossil fuel engines burning foreign gas in foreign made engines with foreign made steel. Actually it shouldn't take a genius to imagine a better and more productive U.S. national energy infrastructure yet that would improve the economy and the establishment probably prefer that America become a nation with millions of peons for cheap labor leveraged into homelessness and non-competition for owning land or free enterprise.

Ronald Regan; The Final Conservative Before The New World Order

I wanted to make a comment about the computer and internet era's effect upon U.S. and global manufacturing. With modern games theory and the Internet on line for the business market the age of gaming to win profit either short or long term with instantaneous trade, borrowing funds and virtual gaming of the system manufacturing has become a somewhat staid phenomena subject globally to the higher powers of concentrated wealth. Obviously national borders and currencies aren't insulated from the gaming power of concentrated wealth, commodities and owning poker-playing and quantitative computer driven trading. How can the U.S.A. develop a vigorous new ecological economic manufacturing and living policy when global gaming of fungible social reality has pervasively corrupted the integrality of state and local politics?

Ronald Regan was the final American conservative before the full flowering of the post-cold war computer driven trading system. Today conervatism has two basic sides-that of moral conservatism and that of global concentration of wealth with the principle of gaming the world economy and concentrating wealth phenomenally. Obviously there is nothing conservative about the latter-for it is an abandonment of national destiny for an existential global pursuit of greed.

In the new global era cheap labor is plentiful and in the United States cheap illegal and legal immmigrant labor has created a perennial high rate of unemployment concurrent with record Wall Street profits. Basically a high rate of unemployment is good for corporate profits by keeping wages down. With a comprehensive Mexican border control policy of zero immigration it might be possible to reduce the unemployment rate in the U.S.A. to 2% and increase wages significantly. Executive wages have increased in recent decades while comparative adjusted for inflation labor wages have decreased because in the supply and demand phenomenon of the U.S.A. the real immigration policy has been entirely in favor of the middle class and wealthy who employ illegal immigrants instead of paying real wages to American citizens. A corrupt U.S.A. is where the economy is at today.

Instant communications for the media and Internet corporate world globally have also allowed a reduction in the integrity of p0rivate property values. Once upon a time private real estate was secure enough with the only way one might be driven out through entirely legal means. In the New World order ad hoc social pressure from networked racketeering targeting individual property owners may compel home sale through real social pressure making the media of networking a kind of ad hoc government. Private land titles are only as good as the government that is the sovereign enforcer of the title and owners right of quiet enjoyment of his property.

The U.S. government did not intent private property for the poor and middle class to endure in the New World Order though. The Clinton administration allowed the commodification of home mortgages so that they might be bought and sold globally. Americans have lost hundreds of thousands of homes while the wealthy have profited and made home insecurity a permanent feature of the New World Order in the U.S.A.

Globally the New World Electronic order has not consolidated its impact upon the economies affected in myriad ways The effect of perennial political and economic destabilization may be new rounds of wars stimulated by incidentally rather than necessary economic insufficiencies of masses sometimes actualized as revolutions.

There are esse3ntially two aspects of the new wave of destabilization in an instantaneous electronic media environment today I wanted to mention. First is the ability of the masses to volatilize politic and economic reform. The second is the ability for game players to undermine free enterprise ventures at large and small scales through pervasive global trading.
In Alaska a given mine may produce 33,000 pounds of gold for a global corporation who will not invest anything locally in significant quantity, by will instead extract and relocate the non-renewable resource anyplace in the world for reinvestment in opportunely selected trading ventures that appear game theoretical winners. Of course the major investors will also have a high rate of profit paying just 15% on capital gains instead of an income tax on wages at 35%.

Working is discouraged for investing has far lower taxes. New World Order investing tends to be far more in gaming profits rather than construction of new manufacturing technology, or even of ecological economic sustainability. It is easier to invest and gain the system that build a business with hard work and have some global gamers take over with borrowed money. Capitalism has become corrupted to mean the concentration of global wealth and power even unto absolute monarchy under the most evil powers and principalities. Capital for Adam Smith was no more than an incidental yet desirable fruit of free enterprise activities of a generation revolutionarily democratic and opposed to the concentration of wealth by a few individuals socially.

U.S.-Mexico Border Control Concepts

I of course have regarded the opportunity to create an ecospherically benign border control zone on the Mexican border as an opportunity to create jobs and fresh water for the American S.W. That was the salt-water desalinization with solar powered siphon and exploitation of the higher sea level on the Pacific than the Gulf of Mexico to fill a structure of border canals with evaporated-condensed water. I learned about the Columbia Basin project in Eastern Washington fairly early and saw the apple orchards and other farm production that followed the Columbia River water being made to flow to the desert. A new project might alter the dynamics of the advancing global warming desertification of the S.W. as far as water shortages go.

The comparison with the boundary issues with East Germany was fascinating. I visited Berlin before the Wall came down and haven't been to Europe since.

America has a different set of economic issues today, and capitalism's meaning has become corrupted and free enterprise reduced progressively as global corporations take over. I know that Mexican drug cartels and that war that has cost 47 thousand lives so far is rotten in Mexico and has a bad effect on the U.S.A. too.

Even in Alaska Mexican nationals are imported to work processing seafood again giving the advantage to the 1% class as labor is not allowed to tighten up and raise wages. Labor and ownership must be on the same rules and workers should have a fair chance to benefit from higher labor values from scarcity-they can't do that in the U.S.A. with legal and illegal cheap Mexican immigrant workers.

If there is a labor shortage and the fish don't get caught and instead return to spawn and build up larger, healthier numbers-fine-that's good for the oceans and while the oceans haven't turned to acid advantaged dead zones it would be good to try to restore a healthier ocean environment.

The amorphous political philosophy, meanings of political terms and dysfunctional economic theories work to the disadvantage of the United States. America is a political island in the stream that can end, along with the culture in it, and even the world ecosphere as the easy way through greed prevails to overcome political management of the nation's future and well being of the citizens.

Mitt Romney & Muhammad Ali : Religious Deferments From Vietnam War

If a citizen takes a deferment from wartime military service ought he rightly be later eligible to command the military or be elected President. While conscientious objectors and religious ministers are Godly people-maybe (for some ungodly religions may be eligible for war-time deferments too such as the 5th Church of Hatred of the I.R.S. whose priesthood regards it as a holy mission to avoid paying taxes the abomination of government-plainly the Government would want not to offend the faithful and send them to battle in unrighteous corporate wars)
A democracy should have a little logic and consistence in its policies in order that the rich and the corrupt might not just have their way through slick passage through loopholes.

Muhammad Ali avoided the draft claiming to be a minister of the Nation of Islam. Mitt Romney got a draft deferment claiming to be a Minister or Missionary of Mormonism-and he spent a year in France during then war proselytizing the faith.

Ali of course had to litigate his conviction for draft evasion five years before getting an 8 to 0 Supreme Court decision overturning his conviction.

The idea that Mormons and Muslims should get arbitrary draft exemption makes one wonder if the religious reason is for being a member of a religion or particularly for believing that God does not want people to kill.

Perhaps the ending of the draft era was requisite if Mormons and Moslems would not be required to serve via draft. Yet Christians too should be free from draft as well so perhaps war falls to just godless atheists these days, though volunteer armies with large pay are the increasing corporate trend.

So should deferments from drafts be awarded for just a year at a time for religious reasons? Is conscientious objector status good for life or just for a year or while none is especially pious?

Individuals too should be free from a draft or receive a deferment or conscientious objector status is they regard God as more important than man.

Can one reasonably elect a conscientious objector President to command military forces? If religious missionary or ministering is sufficient reason not to be drafted even if one is not a conscientious objector, won't even Democrat Party members choose to make a sect of their political faith and perform ministering work to get draft deferments until some hypothetical war is over?

The One; Comparing the Eternal and Temporal

The terms or word referent labels probably don't mean the same to The One as it would in a human context.

Realization is surpassed by omniscience. Can an eternal being experience temporality? The 33 year life of Jesus Christ would be the closest approximation I can imagine. Can the temporal contain the eternal in understanding?

For us the question is like asking how a particle in a river always in motion can consider anything stationary. One might ask if being always in motion as a water molecule in a perpetual motion river circling around a space-globe in a zero gravity mall under a clever magnetic field might could realize it's stationary position relative to other molecules flowing with it, or if the molecule could realize it's timelessness because nothing ever seemed to change in the flow, and neither did it break apart under anomolous Van der Waalls bonds or another physical influence.

Like Plotinus' expression of The One in his 'The Enneads' there is a limit to describing a view that cannot be perceived from human experience. The One is improbably subject to space-time or relativity, as it contains those pluralistic aspects of things-for-others.

Socrates: Innovative Philosopher or Destroyer of Democracy?

From what factually is known about Socrates and the state of Athens then he had that role of advocating for oppression of the demos. The happiness of people does not arise when they are enslaved or subjugated. Mankind naturally desires freedom rather than slavery

That Plato would advocate for female opportunity to oppress the masses as guardian-rulers may have been a political gambit to get feminine support-always important even today for bad political actions as well as good. Certainly women can reason well enough, however abstract reason doesn't compensate for lack of experience for either gender. In the 5th century B.C. childbirth was quite dangerous and in some places still is.

Why did Socrates want to abolish families and have the state raise progeny from mysterious liasons? Socrates might have ruminated about his first wife Xanthippe and alleged second wife Myrto and thought about the good points of a commonality of women in the Utopian Republic. He might have imagined that a prime role of philosopher kings would have been to impregnate lower classes so far as possible and outbreed undesirable characteristics such as the will for independence. In that idea he wouldn't be unique. Yet even from an evolutionary perspective diveristy is better than everyone having the same nose.

Women have tended to rule the home at times while men go out in the streets and fields to fight, strive or labor. The enfranchised agree not to kill one another, dominate the increments of sustainabilty or dump the excrements in the gutters-what could be bettter than that? Well, democracy can try to improve education and assure a fair basic social balance politically. The marketplace of ideas need be free of operant tyranny that excludes the masses from getting a natural selection of the best ideas, songs, poems or science fiction novels etc.

Eventually women too can rise to go out in the streets, fight, agree not to kill one another and labor-and they do. Maids from Mexico maintain homes for cheaper wages than Americans would demand from their middle and upper class employers. Everyone like exploitable labor-even philosopher-kings, the Supreme Soviets of the World and Boss Tweeds.

Set hierarchies are not invariably the most efficient structure for data processing alogirthms. Such are preclusive of much extraneous data and inertially tend to follow pre-determined courses without capibility of restructuring term values, concepts and so forth vital for social good.

The proposal for the education of female potential philosopher-kings may have been unrealisticly patronizing to entice Plato's prospects. The average life span was less than 25 I would guess in the 5th century B.C. One wonders how wise women might have become- guarded themselves as cloistered nun-warrior-Queens forming abstract ideas of the conduct of war and ideal social development planting and nurturing 5th century Athenians relying upon court favorite consultants perhaps-primordial lobbiests from abroad.

One might wonder if elites have a class thing regarding their self-bestowed concept of supremacy that requires that their women too are better than those cattle ruled. Catherine the Great was a competent elite ruler of Russia-quite promiscuous yet Socrates advocated against families and for state raising of all children-a very bee-hive concept that simply isn't very good. In some ways the Republic is a prototype for a fascist, Orewellian communist dictatorship the Khmer Rouge might have appreciated. One musn't forget that the new Kim of North Korea has already been decreed 'the genius amongst geniuses'.

The Roman version of the Republic had a Dictator for a year when war required transcending the joint consulship-a more realistic policy than having female war leaders in that day.

Some generals lead from the rear and others from the front. Alexander led from the front, as did Caesar when necessary. Elites though of a non-democratic sort have a greater tendency to lead in absentia from a comfortable harem, bar or pleasure dome sending the mere commoners to do the menial tasks such as war. On the other hand one might argue that female philosopher kings of a bureaucratic disposition would have been Amazon like warriors. I think war is a specialized occupation though that makes one less philosophical with rank-I am not persuaded that elite rulers can be trained to pursue the good for society and knowledge of war at the same time, nor that the guardians would not have the biased point of view that the good for society is when philosopher kings rule-rather like those tin-pot dictators for life of second and third world nations.

Socrates influenced people like Alcibiades to disrespect democracy and that cost Athenian lives such as in the war against Syracuse when Alcibiades decided to switch sides and turn traitor because he was relieved of command of the Athenian navy after a drunken night defacing statues of demi-urges in some temple (probably the Parthenon).

The Wall Street Quant traders and cdo packagers were/are the nation’s elites nurtured in misguided economic philosophy. Adam Smith’s capitalism was less accentuated than the concept of self-regulated social fee-enterprise. Free enterprise today should have regulations to preserve competition and access to capital by the masses as opposed to a reduction in concentration of wealth.

Corporations should be allowed to have no more than 5000 employees and individual could invest in no more than three corporations. It is possible to restore Adam Smith’s intentions in formalizing capitalism as an economic theory so that the economic good of the citizenry is maximized rather than that of a few. Smith and Hume were anti-aristocratic economic power instead of proponents of it.

One may admire Plato creating the foundation for philosophical realism with his realm of forms paradigm. Even Kripke in 'Naming and Necessity' keep a semblance of imperputability in names while Russell's theory of names is a forerunner of Quine's ideas about language as linguistic units derived from association with objects or events/procesesses etc.

Temporal change and classes of objects in the world of perpetual change does present the idea that some Univeral designs for objects exist that precede any particular expression in the temporal world. One learns through particle physics that select forms do exist for quanta. Only a certain amount of energy may exist in particular orbits, and radiation or fusion exists to renormalize those atoms. In some regards Plato was correct about a realm of forms in physics then after all. Socrates.

In spite of the brilliance of the realm of forms idea and laying the foundation of realism as well as advancing the classification of word and objects etc the will to elevate a Republic that isn't much more than primitive tribal rule is a regressive rather than a positive contribution to posterity. Modernity requires that discrete ad hoc procesing of data and education in ecopheric and social reality be common coin of mass thought as they pursue their own self interest aware that several billion other people are doing the same thing and that their are unintended, concatenated effects of those actions.

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The will of Socrates to subvert the Athenian democracy and have a regime change against the will of the majority was a dark side to the man. Socrates, like various supremists throughout history had a political personal egoistic eudeamon calling him to put his fellow citizen in chains held by the few, the proud and the rich including himself presumably.

Socrates had a inclination to support revolt against the government and was thrice convicted of fomenting insurrection. His philosophical method was political organizing to persuade others to end the existing government and subjugate the people. People that wish to subjugate one to political non-equal status are on the wrong side of things morally speaking.

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The Athenian democracy was a utopian experiment-as much then as in 1776. Socrates sought to regress to a primitivist tribalism with philosopher-king co-chiefs, kyshatria-warrior guardians and helot-slaves. He might have been designing a modern corporation or zaibatsu of immense size.

Athens had no oppresion by the majority-all citizens were free and voters. Slaves of whatever origin were that or dead-what could one in that time do with captives of war and others not of one's tribe that one contacted? In world war I more than 50,000 soldier died of blood poisoning from infected blisters I believe. In the 5th century B.C. human physical contact tended to be more violent because any contact was dangerous medically speaking, as well as for other reasons of history.

Jingoism officially was invented by the British-and they were an aristocratic-democratic hybrid then. In 5th century B.C. Athens war newspapers and radio didn't yet exit for jingoitic utility. If one had a sword or a spear drill team one could have a crash at the foes of course-dash across the ground-yet it alsway ressulted in many deaths and killing off of proto-jigoites. The Spartans, very good at war gaming, were not invariably happy about going to the killing fields-heck, even abcessed tooth removal could be painful for 5th century do-it-your-selfers I would guess.

Achilles earlier beleived a warrior death was best, yet it was swift and life with cancer or a myriad other chronic diseases very common then were not. The Roman emperor Sula perished when worm rotted his guts enough that they fell out.

The Athenian democracy wasn't terribly militaritic either-I think that you have imbibed some more 20th century propaganda because of 20th century war historical evaluations made by people with inadequate historical understanding. The Persians attacked the Greeks,and of course later so did the Romans. Alexander was not a democrat.

Democracy does not need to be anti-intellectual. The United States is one of the best places for intellectual efforts. Anti-intellectual is a human trait rather than a democratic trait. In a free society an intellectual may live in a tent and read Quine while the unintellectual can visit Talledega for NASCAR and help advance global warming support (they should use electric cars at least).

The 'Other' Socrates

There is a dark side to Socrates. The little known side may be common knowledge amidst some philosophers, yet it should be understood by the many as well as the few.

Socrates was a supporter of oligarchy and in opposition to the demos. It was the democrats that gave the philosopher the choice-Athens-leave it or die. Socrates choose death rather than to give up the principle of rule by the exclusive.

Bertrand Russell called Plato a fascist (during the Second World War). Plato's Republic was loosely modeled on the Spartan city-state. Yet of course Plato-Socrates wanted philosopher-Kings to dictate everything with a limited number of flunkies below in a rather Spartan configuration. The ordinary people were not helots of course, the men just should be cuckolded and the women imp0regnated by superior males-Socrates was an early formal eugenic supremist.

For most of the history of western civilization aristocracy has ruled and of course they advocate the extreme conservatism of 'The Republic'. How noble was Socrates in thrice being charged by the Demos of corrupting the youth of Athens-he was inciting them to revolt and restore the Oligarchy. Today of course the charge of’ corrupting youth' brings sniggers. Socialist believing corruption is hunkie dorrie want all of that they can get on the premise that it will undermine the conservative amongst us. We know the litany-unlimited sin is o.k. mankind evolved from lizards and hence it should today have a magical lizard's moral sensibilities.

Socrates did evolve the Socratic method. Maybe he refined some sort of water-boarding interrogation methodology that could work in polite society. Socrates wanted to prove that anyone he met was a moron or at least quite ignorant-any maybe he was right for the people were ordinarily ignorant and Socrates was a rare, thoughtful, intelligent aristocrat from a humble background.

Can we find sympathy for Socrates-son of a sculptor who worked on the Parthenon, rugged soldier, voluntary mystic of catatonic like states of deep standing contemplation-because he supported the rich and powerful of his day perhaps to get kickbacks of a financial nature-or at least to have an easy time of accommodations, food, parties and security?

If Socrates did not seek favors of the Buffets and Gates of his time, if the George Soros' of golden age Athens were just means to an end of converting Athenian liberty into a Spartan like domination by a pair of philosophers like Socrates and Plato, he was at least an individual who stimulated political philosophy and the inquiry into the nature of word meaning. It isn't too surprising that his grand-pupil Aristotle invented classical logic, the syllogism and formal scientific classification.

I guess Socrates wasn't all bad after all, yet of course, we like the moderns and several others fairly well in compensation, though of course none are God as is Jesus Christ.