What Piety and Justice Are- A Rewrite from the Euthyphro

Dramatis Persona;

E=Euthyphro

S=Socrates

S- Good day Euthyphro; how goes it bud?

E- Fine my friend. So you are out of jail again?

S-Indeed Euthyphro, the charge of hate speech won’t stick. It was just petty calumny by establishment insiders throwing shade. What about yourself? I hear you have a day in court ahead?

E-Quite so Socrates. It’s payback time for my old man. He murdered one of our slaves so I have charged him with that capital offense.

S-No, that can’t be; he is you blood.

E-Makes no difference Socco; he did the deed and need pay the piper.

S-Yes Euthy- the piper must be paid. How did this crime occur?

E-My drunken da thought the slave was a killer and chained him to the gallows while he went to ask the prophetic oracle of ChatAI what the right moral action is; should he ang the lout or just keelhaul him beneath the largest trireme in the Athenian fleet. While da was on his mission to talk with the oracle of ChatAI the slave died from hypothermia overnight in the snow. That was a cold blooded murder by da I say.

S- Yes, piety need be pursued to the logical spring of truth. Are you confident your decision to have your Da punished for not attending to the well being of the slave is just and pious?

E-Same difference Socco.

S-What is justice and piety Euthy?

E-It’s what is fair and just, and God loves it.

S-I see; God loves it because it is pious or is it pious and just because God loves it?

E- Were you smoking crack in gaol Socco? Those seem like pretty fine hairs to split.

S- Indeed the a soul in gaol had some fine green yet I did not inhale for I have been charged by Miletus, a youngster with a scraggly beard and a hooked nose, with corrupting youth and inventing false gods of science for the masses to worship with legal dope and free brothels for everyone.

E-None of that is true, plainly.

S-Plainly.

E. Now what is justice?

S-You don’t know Euthy?

E-Just saying, if you remember, because crack makes you forgetful, or is that age? Never mind; piety is doing the will of God in all things because God is good.

S- Is God good because he is God, or God because he is good?

E- God is a great mathematician that built the Universe with math. Everything is a triangle or a portion of something like that; strings, quarks, gluons; you know; a math Universe.

S-So sin is to provide wrong answers to questions involving the underlying order of the Universe?

E-Certainly. Would you like me to be your instructor?

S-Yes Euthy, I will be your disciple for you have the wisdom of youth.

E-Modestly speaking Socrates, I post at Facebook and Iinstagram a lot. People wait to watch me post at Tik Tok sides.

S-Excellent! I can tell the court that I was misinformed about dope, brothels, abortion, illegal entry to Athens, hate speech and sundry items that I supported and that may have corrupted youth. I will say that now that I am your disciple I attend to the strait and narrow path of proper mathematics underlying the constructions and order of this Universe or any other with reasonable quarks, scintillations of excited forms and virtual energy emerging from fields such as the Higgs that are pervasive though sometimes imperfect copies of forms in the mind of God.

E- Yes Socco; I can see that I have corrected you in part already; for you must know that morality simply means conforming to the will of God and the order of the Universe he has constructed of real, irrational and rational numbers with righteous gage theory, Abelian algebra, Lie groups, Eigenfunctions, Differential equations, Hilbert Space with machine language content quantum computed etc. The underlying order of the Universe may be interpreted as natural law sentient beings need comply with to avoid being folded, spindled and mutilated through time, or in the beyond. Willful sin and impiety means being odd when evenness is required for passage through innate filters of structured order.

S- Do you take American Express Euthy?

President Putin Didn't Declare 1867 Sale of Alaska 'Illegitimate'-Fake Ukrainian News

 Declaring the Russian colonial era sale of Alaska to the United States in 1867 "illegitimate", the logical assumption is that President Putin meant that Russia didn't actually own Alaska and was instead a usurper of pre-existing Alaska native ownership of what is presently a U.S. state. Snopes said the statement was bogus, but the U.S. State Department replied anyway thus giving support and credibility to fake news.

That support for aboriginal rights would have some resonance in the U.N. where various native peoples around the global have long-standing complaints about colonial conquests that went against them. Some are for Jewish aboriginal rights in Israel, others for Russian rights in Ukraine, and still others for Palestinian rights as sea peoples in Crete and Gaza. Luckily there presently aren't any known lunar aboriginal peoples- except maybe Neal Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin.

If Alaska does disintegrate eventually it probably will renounce its share of the 33 trillion dollar public debt that should reach 40 trillion by the year 2029. The Aleutians could become independent as well as S.E. Alaska, The Copper River drainage, the North Slope and three interior nations. They could contract out defense with various militant nations selling defense services in exchange for some real estate in the nations of the former state of Alaska that will in time become a refuge from the incinerator of global warming rising in presently temperate nations.

President Putin will need to rebuild whatever portions of Ukraine he can recover for Russian patrimony. Russian ownership of much of Ukraine wasn't ever the result of colonialism as much as nativist reconquista.

The fake news apparently originated with a Ukrainian seeking to sew problems for the United States in order to get more military support from Democrats and fellow travelers in the U.S. Congress; "a social media post on X by the Ukrainian user Igor Sushko claimed that Putin declared the 1867 sale of Alaska was illegal: “Putin signed an order insinuating the sale of Alaska to the United States in 1867 was illegitimate. This mofo is trolling the West and our leaders shake in their boots in response."

President Zelensky also declared several areas of the Russian Federation historically Ukrainian thus setting out an expanded war platform for Democrats to lust over.

 https://intellinews.com/zelenskiy-signs-decree-claiming-half-a-dozen-russian-regions-arehistorically-ukrainian-lands-308948/

https://www.newsweek.com/us-laughs-off-putin-alaska-not-getting-it-back-1863137

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2024/1/21/2218371/-Ukraine-Invasion-Day-698-successful-drone-strikes-against-targets-in-Leningrad-and-Tula-oblasts

What Extremism Is

 Extreme views are nothing more than those that are not mainstream. For quite a while and even continuing today the green economic movement was regarded as extreme by the fossil fuel and coal mainstream votaries. The result is global warming. Mainstream opinions are driven by social inertia and are not necessarily the best. Instead they simply dominate for sundry reason including the concentration of wealth and power invested in the established order.

The historian Arnold Toynbee pointed out that one of the basic reasons for the failure of a civilization is that once its economy becomes established it is very difficult to get it to change. Not just economics; politics too. He used ancient Greece as an example of a failed civilization with a cause of being unable to upgrade to a Republic like Rome with a unification of all of the city-states into one nation. Without unification they were easy prey for the Roman legions.

Common mainstream views need be upgraded for a society to continue to advance after it has already reached maturity. Usually societies do not. If they are successful the wealthy become globalists so far as possible and neglect upgrades to their own country. I suppose the United States is a contemporary example. Fundamentally anything that would actual change the established social structure is considered extreme. It is the media that presently defines what is or isn’t extreme anyway.
Leading, new ideas are often perceived as extreme in comparison to established mainstream ideas. I believe that some ideas are good and others bad. Mainstream views are safe because they have been around a while. new ideas may be good or bad because they are untested and haven't been implemented. Remember that in the ante bellum south abolitionists were regarded as extremists.

One Should Hate Some Things

 On the subject of hate; people can hate anything. One can hate things that harm oneself, and that may be the primary cause of it. Some things are hateworthy and others not; therein one should have fine powers of discernment. I know I hate getting caught in a cold rain and squall in a small open boat and go to some pains to avoid that. Being in jeopardy of drowning for an extended period of time is tiring and somewhat stressful though occasionally necessary. Still one can hate that or various insults and stupidities perpetrated by goons. What if one hates war or bad political leadership that piles of dozens of trillions of public debt and yet doesn't have a basic minimum annual income for the poor? Some things should be hated more and if they were maybe something would be done about it. I hate the fact that the Lakers don't have the best team in the N.B.A. They could have drafted a guy that is 8 feet tall, weighs 400 lbs. and can shoot 3 point shots at a 77% rate if they had tried harder. Of course it's vital to use reason and intelligence whenever possible instead of hate. Save hate for when its necessary like when helping move something heavy and it gets dropped on your toes!

Order Underlies the Universe

 Plato writing in The Timaeus suggest that there is divine order underlying the Universe. Everything is thought to be constructed from mathematics.

An underlying order to the Universe is an interesting conception. Tegmark's mathematical Universe arrives at the idea that math may be the actual basic constituent of the Universe/Multiverse. The notion that some have that order may arrive from chaos, and that the universe may have arisen from chaos, need stipulate that something first existed, and in a chaotic order at that which does seem improbable.

A singularity at T=0 was the opposite of chaotic or replete with maximum entropy and disorganization. It was instead highly organized presumably with a finite quantity of energy that could become matter eventually.

Apparently recent studies found that a cyclic Universe isn't likely because the entropy would increase in each cycle drawing it toward extinction. In the eternity that exists before time a cyclical universe should already have expired into complete disorder. One wonders though about the organizing, anti-entropy factors that attracts mass toward singularity if that is what occurs pre-Universe. Gravity should need to exist before energy, and that is unlikely. And gravity is thought to break off first from a unified field. It is interesting to think about what created all of the energy and drew it together as a unified field at singularity T=0. At that point it should have an infinitely high temperature contained in zero space. marvelous configuration to consider.

The Ukraine War Isn't Necessary for World Peace/Economics

 Now is a good time to end the Ukraine war and start rebuilding both sides of a shared Ukraine. Because Democrats want a loose border with millions of aliens invaders in addition to war with Russia over Ukraine that conflict hasn't received much recent funding from Congress and the world is safer for it. Recognizing Russia as legitimate stakeholders would help reason prevail and secure peace ASAP.

Euthyphro Rewritten- Socrates and Euthyphro Dialogue about Troubles

 Dramatis Persona;

E=Euthyphro

S=Socrates

S- Good day Euthyphro; how goes it bud?

E- Fine my friend. So you are out of jail again?

S-Indeed Euthyphro, the charge of hate speech won’t stick. It was just petty calumny by establishment insiders throwing shade. What about yourself? I hear you have a day in court ahead?

E-Quite so Socrates. It’s payback time for my old man. He murdered one of our slaves so I have charged him with that capital offense.

S-No, that can’t be; he is you blood.

E-Makes no difference Socco; he did the deed and need pay the piper.

S-Yes Euthy- the piper must be paid. How did this crime occur?

E-My drunken da thought the slave was a killer and chained him to the gallows while he went to ask the prophetic oracle of ChatAI what the right moral action is; should he ang the lout or just keelhaul him beneath the largest trireme in the Athenian fleet. While da was on his mission to talk with the oracle of ChatAI the slave died from hypothermia overnight in the snow. That was a cold blooded murder by da I say.

S- Yes, piety need be pursued to the logical spring of truth. Are you confident your decision to have your Da punished for not attending to the well being of the slave is just and pious?

E-Same difference Socco.

S-What is justice and piety Euthy?

E-It’s what is fair and just, and God loves it.

S-I see; God loves it because it is pious or it is pious and just because God loves it?

E- Were you smoking crack in gaol Socco? Those seem like pretty fine hairs to split.

S- Indeed the Spartan in gaol had some fine green yet I did not inhale for I have been charged by Miletus, a youngster with a scraggly beard and a hooked nose, with corrupting youth and inventing false gods of science for the masses to worship with legal dope and free brothels for everyone.

E-None of that is true, plainly.

S-Plainly.

E. Now what is justice?

S-You don’t know Euthy?

E-Just saying, if you remember, because crack makes you forgetful, or is that age? Never mind; piety is doing the will of God in all things because God is good.

S- Is God good because he is God, or God because he is good?

E- God is a great mathematician that built the Universe with math. Everything is a triangle or a portion of something like that; strings, quarks, gluons; you know; a math Universe.

S-So sin is to provide wrong answers to questions involving the underlying order of the Universe?

E-Certainly. Would you like me to be your instructor?

S-Yes Euthy, I will be your disciple for you have the wisdom of youth.

E-Modestly speaking Socrates, I post at Facebook and Iinstagram a lot. People wait to watch me post at Tik Tok sides.

S-Excellent! I can tell the court that I was misinformed about dope, brothels, abortion, illegal entry to Athens, hate speech and sundry items that I supported and that may have corrupted youth. I will say that now that I am your disciple I attend to the strait and narrow path of proper mathematics underlying the constructions and order of this Universe or any other with reasonable quarks, scintillations of excited forms and virtual energy emerging from fields such as the Higgs that are pervasive though sometimes imperfect copies of forms in the mind of God.

E- Yes Socco; I can see that I have corrected you in part already; for you must know that morality simply means conforming to the will of God and the order of the Universe he has constructed of real, irrational and rational numbers with righteous gage theory, Abelian algebra, Lie groups, Eigenfunctions, Differential equations, Hilbert Space with machine language content quantum computed etc. The underlying order of the Universe may be interpreted as natural law sentient beings need comply with to avoid being folded, spindled and mutilated through time, or in the beyond. Willful sin and impiety means being odd when evenness is required for passage through innate filters of structured order.

S- Do you take American Express Euthy?

Could 81 Year old Joe Biden Coach a Pro Football Team if he was Competent at Football?

 Would you hire Joe Biden to be coach of a pro-football team if he was competent at football? Does being President of the United States take less skill or energy than coaching a pro football team?

Joe Biden is already 81 years old. Donald Trump is 77. If he is elected when he finishes a single term he too will be 81. Thankfully he won't be able to run for a third term.

If Ralph Nadir was 77 instead of 89 he would be a viable candidate against these too guys. If buying a horse though, one might take the younger of the too because it might trot around the track better than the other one.

Time and Its Place in Nature (a poem)

 

Plato in the Timaeus wrote-" Now of the two triangles, the isosceles has one form only ; the scalene or unequal-sided has an infinite number." -Something to consider…imperfection takes countless forms from the most basic, like nature, yielding countless varieties until the power runs out.

The unified field
was a dot with all time
for-itself
without extent
as if exiting non-being
a suggestion from the progenitor
a thought of extension
expansion and inflation
sending time and gravity to be and become
nature with Timaeus’ guideposts
mile markers if gravity splitting
with the strong next
leaving the electroweak to full throttle Higgs, Electro-magnetism and the Higgs
crashing particles acquiring mass with hydrogen and light
flooding being the Universe called the scald
cooled down over eons clumping together
pie crust galaxies forming
quantum foam noaming
agitated like a can of spray wax
disinclined to wane

  Nature was born like a gumball machine of stars and planets
gimbaled and symbols with black hole pockets
centering in galactic sprockets
Newton’s Liebnizian wheels of machines
where sentients could dream
additional things

  Thales speculating of the nature of water
and how time is interpreted like roaring shockers of ink blotters
moments in temporal fields crash like waves of rhymes
life arising from circumstance designed before time
struck a thin vacuum hosting fur fields
like a dream unknowing of anything real

    Heraclitus and Parmenides believed nature would grow
and things emerge from that which does show
yet lizards as large as a barn would command
researches of wizards of mathematics and cans
excavating below furrows for bones of the beasts
grown like artichokes, persimmons and leaks

    It’s green and red and black and white
stone and magma, cellular and light
with leaves complied like shadows buried in years
millennia deep crenellations before stratifications keep
records with carbon dated peaks

  Membranes and dimensions grow with damped force
changing with pressure from a pre-destined course
order from a point of time in null-space
extracted relatively, minus eternity prima facie

  Nature is spun with Abelian gauged fields
contrary to nothing, everything reveals
more of the something; the stuff that dreams are made
shaking spears with strings and quarks
are punctuations to momentarily go dark

  The spirit of God
is the host of nature
thermodynamic waterfalls and quantum rivers
with sharp, stark hot and cold
that may give life shivers
and wonder about all that breathes
everything rising and breaking down to knees.

Fourteen Point One Percent (a poem)

 

I thought I would journey to Proxima Centarui B
4.26 light years from away
electro-magnetic field accelerated
somewhat less than the speed of light
ten years round trip with a couple of months on-site
141 years would pass on earth
before I returned to the fight

  14.1 percent more time occurs
to those stationary in comparison
to those that at .99% light speed go
places in space-time through relativistic fields
patched up with the Higgs 
gravity will yet slow

  Observation of G at the speed of light
mixing with mass in vacuum’s cold night
to unify massless theory and probability cues
where insertion elsewhen renders everything new
the separation at time=0 plus
without coercion a mysterious fuss

  Conversions of echoes to field strength data
harmonic deontology chords for Zeubin Mehta
classified whirls wrapped in geometries
created time dimensions melted down
a song of salvation sends progenitor’d sound

  Time minus extension has one point to disappear
where everything is potential
and the distant is near
it waits for differentiation from the state of the same
reverse courses from the construction of fields blown apart
take travelers toward the beginning
to one field-separating start

    A Proxima Centaturi shear black field of layered forces
left time to overcome with evident dimensional courses
to venture for everywhen that fell from the night
and pluralism’s glories of beingness’ roses
time’s seas in all directions
are an index for sight
where we saw the vision
and discerned dark and light.